Have you ever had Christians object to your claims that Mormons aren’t Christian? They seem offended and typically exclaim, “But they are so nice!”
I usually respond by saying, “I didn’t say they weren’t nice. In my experience they make fantastic neighbors, friends and co-workers. I’m just saying that their beliefs are radically different from Christianity. They speak of Jesus but he is not the Jesus of the Bible.”
The have the same vocabulary but a different dictionary.
They don’t appear to realize that with matters of doctrine the issue isn’t whether someone is “nice” or not. It is whether the doctrine in question is true.
I don’t think they switch topics deliberately. I think they have just confused the word ”nice” with ”Christian” for so long that they don’t understand the distinction.
As Kevin Bussey points out, Mormons attack other faiths as well and historically speaking have claimed that they are the one true faith rather than just another Christian denomination. I disagree with their theology, of course, but I am not offended that they say they think they have the one true way. We can discuss each other’s truth claims and I am confident that orthodox Christianity will win out. But I do find it disingenuous when they claim that they are Christians.
The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry has some excellent write-ups on Mormonism. With just a little reading you’ll see how drastically different their doctrines are from Christianity. There are huge holes in many of their claims.
I encourage Christians to be aware of some of the basic distinctions in the event that you want to engage Mormons who come to your door. I’ve spent a fair amount of time with them the last two times they came by, so I’m virtually certain that now I’m on their “do not call” list. I listened carefully to their whole presentation and we had very pleasant, balanced dialogues. But I think they realize I’m not likely to convert.
The Mormons will ask you to read their holy books and see if you get a “burning in the bosom” to confirm its “truth.” But this exercise is circular reasoning. It takes the “burning” as proof that the Book of Mormon is from God, but it assumes that the burning comes from God. And the whole issue is whether God is speaking at all.
The Bible doesn’t teach us to rely on some feeling, it points to evidence and encourages you to put your trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
My current strategy is to ask Mormons whether they view the Bible as authoritative, since they usually bring a Bible and claim that the Book of Mormon is just a further revelation. They typically respond, “Yes, to the extent it is properly interpreted.” Then I ask if they know of any errors. They haven’t yet. Then I have them read this passage written by the Apostle Paul:
Galatians 1:8-10 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Then I ask if the Book of Mormon preaches a different Gospel than what Paul preached. If they say it is the same Gospel, then I tell them I don’t need a redundant revelation. I’ll stick with the Bible.
If they say it is a different Gospel, then I tell them I’ll stick with the Bible and that they should, too. After all, the Bible teaches that adding to or taking away from the Gospel is a very serious offense.
(It is also interesting that an angel allegedly brought the message of Mormonism to Joseph Smith, and the passage above says, “But even if we or an angel should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you . . .”)
Also see If Mormons are Christians.
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I’ll bobble my head with you on this. I have a good friend that is Mormon and yes, he is just so nice and very moral by all outward appearances. It can be very disarming and can leave your guard down and not think critically when doctrine comes up. Also, he seemed slightly misogynistic so I’m not sure if that is indicative of their doctrine or not.
They used to come over to the house as well. They don’t come anymore. I like your two step approach.
Do you believe in the Bible?
Do you know of any errors in the Bible?
Then go to Galatians 1:8-10. I’ll remember that.
Have you checked out: DNA vs. The Book of Mormon? It is really good.
Edgar
My husband will really appreciate this post. He has had a duo of Mormons over to our house for about four weeks now. They seem very set in their ways, but they keep coming back. I don’t know if it’s because they think they are going to convert my husband or if they are hearing some truth in what he’s saying to them. Either way, thanks for the tips. I’ll be sure to hand them over.
justlovehim- A helpful book for your husband may be “I Love Mormons” by David L Rowe. Dr Rowe is Dean of Spiritual Life at Salt Lake Theological Seminary, and he has an approach not often seen (unfortunately). Out here in Mormon territory, it should be required reading for any traditional Christian. A quick read, too.
Beautifully done, Neil. What a one-two punch!
At the risk of being offensive, I’ve often compared Mormons to Muslims in that they both follow “prophets” who were the only ones to see/hear revelations, and the people are expected to simply take their word for it. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, God worked miracles and prophesied through His prophets and EVERYONE could see and know with certainty the truth spoken by the prophets. No gamblin’ necessary.
Edgar,
That DNA argument is easily refuted. Read The Book of Mormon and discover yourself whether it is true.
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/DNA.shtml
All – thanks for the resources and for caring enough about these people to share the truth.
Let me know how the Galatians thing works or if you see any holes in it. I’m sure someone else already thought of it but I’ve never seen it used. I’ve tried to think of ways they could get around it but it seems pretty straitforward. They always bring the Bible to establish common ground (in theory) then they focus on the Book of Mormon.
Great post Neil. Anytime somebody is another religion it is a sad thing…but especially with Mormons, because I have the feeling they would otherwise be Christians. It’s not like Buddhism or Hinduism where those people probably wouldn’t be Christian anyway, not to dismiss those people’s souls at all, but it’s almost like, more Mormons = less Christians.
I actually shared that same passage from Galatians with a couple LDS who visited me, but I like how you went from there to the question of “same or different gospel.”
Mormonism and Islam are almost set apart from other religions because they start with some of the truth, using Jesus, Abraham, etc… C. S. Lewis once said multiple religions didn’t evolve, they devolved from the truth. I think many of the eastern religions started with the knowledge that there was a God, but it just devolved from there, whereas I tend to think Islam and Mormonism were directly started by Satan.
Hi Neil,
Good post and great suggestions. My wife always feels sorry for the poor boys after they come to my door.
The problem with dialogging with them, as is often the case in the blogosphere, is that they do not come to your door to learn. They come to teach. They think they already know it all since they’ve been through the courses of their Mormon training, etc. So it is best to be quick and kind and make sure they leave the neighborhood.
Blessings
Watch out Neil, Bill my Mormon friend will spam your site with LDS propaganda!
The only Mormons I have known closely claimed to be Christians. They argued that we didn’t have all of the truth.
You said “The Mormons will ask you to read their holy books and see if you get a “burning in the bosom” to confirm its “truth.” But this exercise is circular reasoning. It takes the “burning” as proof that the Book of Mormon is from God, but it assumes that the burning comes from God. And the whole issue is whether God is speaking at all.”
Don’t we often ask non-Christians to do the same? We ask them to read the book of John and to ask the Holy Spirit to guide them.
I’m not saying I disagree with you, just that we need to be careful. My favorite resource is a book called “So What’s the Difference?” It’s an easy read with a chapter on every major religion. What I liked about it was that you could share it with someone whose faith was (wrongly) in some other regligion and they would agree with the book. A Mormon would say that it accurately depicted their religion. The book starts with a description of Christianity, then lets the reader decide for himself
Good question, Randy. I think the difference is in expecting a physical manifestation. The Word of God is living and active and can convict people. God could do that, but it isn’t a formulaic thing. What do the rest of you think?
I think when reaching out to Mormons, we first have to understand their culture. It is a very real thing, and quite different from what we in Christianity are accustomed to. Mormon culture includes a highly developed persecution complex, so criticisms of their faith almost always translates into an attack on them personally.
A friend of mine has made great strides with some neighborhood missionaries by letting them just come over and hang out, jam a little, and has even struck a deal with them to listen to their studies if they will do a New Testament study with him in return. Approaching these young men relationally and as fellow journeyers is making a difference.
Many Mormons are “almost there” as it were– they are seeking God’s Truth, but they have been detoured. The key is to not be a further roadblock on the journey.
Many Mormons are “almost there”
I think this applies to a lot of religions. When Marshall Appplewhite and the Heaven’s Gate group went off to their UFO, I read some of his writings. He was “almost there” in so many ways.
I agree Kelly, we need to understand their culture, but we also need to understand our culture and be able to spot the differences. Cults tend to draw in a lot of people who are seeking (I’m not saying Mormonism is a cult – don’t want to start that argument). If we aren’t secure in our faith, we’ll lose track of The Way.
Again, I go back to the book “So What’s the Difference?” It starts with a look at Christianity. It sets a plumb line that other religions can be measured against.
Oddly enough, I’ve seen some campy material on Mormonism that made them look like witchcraft. Each Mormon gets his own planet with wives to inhabit. Give me a break. Most (all?) Mormons would laugh at that and run you out of town for suggesting it.
Kelley’s friend has the right idea. Get to know them personally, show them you care, then show them why.
The greatest irony of all is that Mormons, in my experience, are more Christ like than most Christians I know.
Randy, I like that book, “So What’s the Difference.”
My daughter was married to a Mormon, I think that Mormons are about like any other group. I did meet some really good people, but there are some that are pretty far off the mark.
I have read over Galatians 1 and I’ll make an attempt to answer your question about Galatians 1:8. It helps to read the whole chapter so as to understand everything in context. I don’t claim to be an expert scriptorian by any means, but I don’t think verse 8 is the great stumbling block some might think it is.
As I understand it, In verse 6 Paul “marveled” that they had so quickly fallen into individual apostasy. In verse 7 he warns that there are some out there who “trouble you”–that is, they try to agitate, raise doubts, or perplex you. (That obviously is still happening!
) And they “pervert the gospel of Christ”. The word “gospel” of course means good news. The good news is that Jesus Christ has made a perfect atonement for mankind. This I too believe.
So in verse 8, to me, Paul basically says: Don’t be so easily shaken. Don’t worry about those agitators–they’ll be taken care of (or at least “accursed”). The gospel we have received, and that we teach, was received “by revelation of Jesus Christ”-verse 12-and not by man.
Well, I too believe in continued revelation. Both personal revelation, as well as revelation for the Church collectively. In fact, one of the bedrock principles (and one of the major differences between the LDS Church and others) is that the Church claims divine authority by direct revelation.
Neil said: Yes, I am familiar with those claims. But they don’t square up to the rest of scripture and there are many holes in the story.
I too believe in the gospel–that is, the good news–of Christ and his great and marvelous atonement. And nobody–not even “an angel from heaven”-verse 8-could persuade me to not believe it. The gospel of Jesus Christ is so fundamental to all of us as Christians–those who profess the name of Christ.
Well that’s how I understand it. Take it or leave it. Sorry it’s not as sensational as some would like to believe, but I deeply believe it to be true.
You alluded to the angel Moroni. To me, these verses have nothing to do with Moroni or the Restoration of the gospel. Although I do believe John the Revelator foresaw that the gospel would be restored in the last days by angelic ministry in Revelation 14:6-7:
“And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgement is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”
That is understood to be the angel Moroni, along with the Book of Mormon (which also contains the “everlasting gospel”) and is now flooding the earth. Parenthetically, the complete Book of Mormon has been translated into 80 languages. Selections of the Book of Mormon have been translated into an additional 27 languages. Almost quite literally to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.
Neil said: You have read your beliefs into that passage. It is either a final presentation of the Gospel or a prelude to the final judgment. Whatever it is, it isn’t Moroni. The Bible has been translated into way more languages than the Book of Mormon.
It stands as a companion volume of holy scripture, along with the Bible which I too love so much. The Bible is a compilation, or library, of only a few of the prophetic writings that had ever been written in that geographical location. I thank God that so much was ever able to be gathered into one great book. But there were many other inspired writings that were not included when the original “compilers” compiled the current Bible as we know it.
Furthermore, God has always commanded that his prophets write holy scripture. “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets” (Amos 3:7). But none of those writings, whether from the old world (the Bible) or the new world (the Book of Mormon) have ever been sufficient alone for our salvation. They only point to Christ, the author of our salvation.
Allow me to use the words of another just once in my response:
Elder Jeffrey R. Holland:
“Continuing revelation does not demean or discredit existing revelation. The Old Testament does not lose its value in our eyes when we are introduced to the New Testament, and the New Testament is only enhanced when we read the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. In considering the additional scripture accepted by Latter-day Saints, we might ask: Were those early Christians who for decades had access only to the primitive Gospel of Mark (generally considered the first of the New Testament Gospels to be written)—were they offended to receive the more detailed accounts set forth later by Matthew and Luke, to say nothing of the unprecedented passages and revelatory emphasis offered later yet by John? Surely they must have rejoiced that ever more convincing evidence of the divinity of Christ kept coming. And so do we rejoice.” (http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-851-30,00.html)
So my faith in the Bible is not sufficient alone. My faith is in Jesus Christ, and I welcome all of His words.
Neil said: Different Jesus.
Different Jesus? Or just worshiping Jesus differently? I would say we’re simply Christians who worship Christ differently than you.
Different Jesus. Jesus of Christianity = eternal creator God. Jesus of LDS = created being. Big difference.
Again, it appears your interpretation/understanding is different than mine, but it’s certainly the same Jesus we’re trying to know and serve. I believe that Jesus, under the direction of His Father, was the very creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3)
Neil said: Hi CC – Is there a reason you skipped over John 1:1-2? (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.)
Are you telling me that you believe that Jesus is the eternal, uncreated being? If so, then you are not in concert with LDS theology. If not, please concede that you and I are not talking about the same Jesus.
We believe our Heavenly Father is literally the father of our spirits. Jesus Christ is considered the preeminent “firstborn” or “firstbegotten” (see Hebrews 1:4-6). He was also God’s “Beloved and Chosen from the beginning” (Moses 4:2).
Neil said: Yes, the eternal Son became flesh in the incarnation.
As for your understanding of the Trinity or my understanding of the Godhead, I suppose that is a topic for another discussion. (Which I actually would like to have. I’d like to explore how we can both read the same Bible and yet come away believing differently about how there are Three distinct persons in the Godhead or if it’s the same person in three different manifestations).
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