United Methodist Conference wrap-up
The 2008 United Methodist General conference had generally good news for orthodox Christians along with some bad news. The May 3 entry here has a good summary under the heading of Legislative Update.
The Bible lists greed, envy, gossip, slander, lust, gluttony, coveting, jealousy and more as sins (everybody squiriming now?). It also notes that homosexual behavior is a sin. The difference is that we don’t have groups in favor of the first list of things disrupting the General Conference and tarnishing the denomination.
The pro-GLBTQ (gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender/questioning) theology groups disrupted the conference as usual with help from some conference leaders who failed to perform their duties. Here’s some background from news releases:
In an act of witness in front of delegates to the 2008 United Methodist General Conference, more than 200 people declared that the denomination’s policies and practices against homosexuality are “sinful” and that “sexuality is a gift from God.”
To say that “sexuality is a gift from God” and use it to support behaviors the Bible clearly describes as sinful is simply wrong. Using that reasoning one could support every perversion known to man.
And to say the UMC policy is “sinful” seems rather odd to me. What is their standard for sin? If they claim it is the Bible, how could upholding the word of God be a sin as defined by the word of God? The burden of proof is on them to prove from the Bible that the behavior they are encouraging is truly a “gift from God.”
The 15-minute demonstration was in reaction to the April 30 decision to retain the denomination’s decades-old proscription in the Social Principles and other parts of the Discipline describing homosexual practice as “incompatible with Christian teaching.”
Delegates voted 501-417 to keep the stance and also passed a resolution against homophobia and heterosexism, saying the church opposes “all forms of violence or discrimination based on gender, gender identity, sexual practice or sexual orientation.”
One witness, speaking on behalf of the protesters, told the General Conference that when The United Methodist Church refuses to accept and honor everyone’s call to professional ministry, it refuses to abide by the rules of Methodism’s founder John Wesley: do no harm, do good and stay in love with God.
That is a non-sequitor. There are all sorts of people whose “call to professional ministry” shouldn’t be honored. These enemies of the Gospel speak in generalities, but if you just peel back a layer and fill in some specifics it is easy to show where their reasoning fails. To claim that those adhering to the Book of Discipline on matters of sexuality are refusing to abide by the rules is morbidly ironic.
Krumbach declared that the “anti-gay policies of The United Methodist Church are wrong and sinful in the sight of God” and in the act of witnessing “we reject the lie that homosexuality is a sin and that by standing, we affirm that sexuality is a good gift of God.”
That is a lie. Our policies aren’t anti-gay, they affirm gay people as having worth and decry violence against them. The policies just line up with the Bible, which is kinda clear about homosexual behavior being sinful. After all:
- 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the strongest possible terms.
- 100% of the verses referencing God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
- 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
- 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions.
So if you want to have a “church” based on pro-gay theology then that is your right. Just don’t pretend to be intellectually honest and claim that you are in concert with the clear teachings of the Bible. Part of the problem is that so many people haven’t studied the passages in question. This is really not a difficult thing to prove.
Our pastor, Chappell Temple, was quoted at length in various articles about the conference. He is the brilliant, loving leader of Lakewood United Methodist Church who has studied this issue extensively and has had the courage to speak the truth about it. I pray that the apostate Bishops and leaders in our denomination will be convicted by his words and that orthodox Bishops and leaders will be encouraged to speak the truth in love as well. Too many of our denominational leaders love the world more than the love God, and the behavior at the conference was exhibit A. I praise God for people like my pastor.
The Rev. Chappell Temple of the Texas Conference said there were numerous delegates who were “dismayed, saddened and outraged” at the act of witness. People are questioning whether such action would have occurred if the General Conference would have changed its stance on homosexuality, he said.
Bishop J. Lawrence McCleskey, the presiding bishop prior to the action, halted the legislative assembly and recessed the conference. Chappell said, “He should have said those wishing to leave can do so. We were held captive. The altar was desecrated; the singing was presumptuous, self-righteous and accusatory.”
While noting the pain resulting from the church’s decision and stance, Temple also said it was wrong to lay guilt on those trying to follow Christ and listen to Christ. “I understand that the (act of witness) was a compromise, and what was allowed was simply blackmail, it was extortion” and was disrespectful to people of different views.
“For a person to give a long, one-sided speech, and for a bishop to speak and call for reconsideration, goes against everything that we hold together and as holy covenant,” he said.
During the witness, Krumbach said the voices of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer people have not been heard, but Chappell disagrees. “They have made witness the entire week,” he said. “No one is happy about where we are, and their demonstration implied that somehow we’ve heaped burning coals on them.”
Delegates, he said, are trying to hold the church together “not for artificial unity, but for a unity of heart that strikes at the very root of Christian conference.”
I couldn’t be more proud of my pastor, and I pray that God will lift up other courageous and orthodox pastors as well. I know that will impact his popularity with many people in positions of power.
Satan has a foothold in the UMC, as evidenced by the support of so many national leaders who stood in solidarity with both the disruptive pro-gay theology groups and the pro-abortion groups. Weak church discipline has allowed these false teachers to gain positions of authority, but it isn’t too late to save the UMC.
I also appreciate Bishops such as Lindsey Davis:
I think the church is right. I think we are very much in sync with historic Christianity and very much in sync with 99.9 percent of Christians in the world,” he said. “I make no apology for our position. It is biblical, and it is in keeping with 2,000 years of Christian tradition.
The U.S. church continues to shrink but it is growing around the world. Praise God that the growing African churches, for example, tend to be much more orthodox. My trips to Kenya confirmed this for me. We had the opportunity to worship and interact with countless Kenyan Christians and they are much more orthodox and evangelistic than the average U.S. congregation.
We need to remember that God wins in the end and our duty is to be faithful to his word today.
Additional information
Responding to pro-gay theology - the best piece I’ve read on the topic. Very thorough, readable and compassionate.
Problems with pro-gay theology - a series I did last year on the various ways these groups misuse and/or misinterpret the Bible.
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Does the 501-417 vote mean that 417 people disagree with the orthodox view?
wow!
Apparently. Very, very sad.
Very nice report. Indeed, to have a pastor that stands so firmly for traditional Christian teaching is heartwarming and may God bless him richly. I wish I could point to a specific person within the UCC that is as unwavering for God’s sake as you pastor. I know there is a faction, I believe they’re called, “Biblical Witness” or some such, but I don’t get the idea that they comprise a sizable portion of the entire denomination. Frankly, as Chairman of our Board of Elders, I’m looking to get a feel for how many, if any, in my congregation would like to break away. I don’t know that there are any who would like to attend every UCC related event to push for orthodoxy, so leaving seems the best bet. Should be interesting.
My biggest problem, however, is that these activists would rather spend time disrupting the faithful instead of simply starting their own pretend church and leaving us the heck alone. But then, part of their agenda is to force compliance across the board and to demonize the faithful is merely a common tactic. May they experience the epiphany they need to come to Christ on Christ’s terms.
Marshall, well said:
My biggest problem, however, is that these activists would rather spend time disrupting the faithful instead of simply starting their own pretend church and leaving us the heck alone
I’m grateful I’m in the PCA. Our fights are still over theological stances on justification by faith alone, and not things the promote and accept sin.
Timothy,
We must be careful about this. This is a little prideful. One day, it could happen to the PCA. We must be in prayer. Only He can protect us.
Sometimes I think though, that the fight to keep the doctrine pure, like against The New Perspectives of Paul, may be more grave, because of what it says about what is believed (wrongly) about Christ. If that fails, then other sins will soon follow. It opens the door to other apostacies.
Umm, what E.I. said.
“Delegates voted 501-417…” Really? That close?
Thanks for this Neil.
I am a Worship Leader at a UMC. I do not wish to say where, because I personally know SEVERAL UMC Pastors who are in support of this Heresy. I have debated, discussed, pleaded, and continue to pray, but these wonderful, well-meaning people have been deceived….
22 Years ago, I sat with my then Pastor, and discussed this very issue. I was concerned even then about the wording in the discipline. I was told that the conference was ‘deciding whether or not Homosexuality was a sin’ (Verbatim quote)
I left the UMC not long thereafter, but God has bid me return for a season.
I have seen many gay UMC Pastors/Lay Leaders, etc. over the years (male and female), and there are many teaching in the seminaries (not conjecture) so I know this to be a long festering wound that is going to come to a head soon. I fear that the next General Conference vote will overturn the truth of the Scripture for a lie, and the UMC will receive in itself, the punishment for its sin, which is meet….
Pray brethren Pray…
EBT
Interesting. As a pastor who has several hard working, thoughtful, compassionate members who happen to be gay, I wonder how you would approach them? They do not push an agenda in the church and are very private. Would you ban them from the church? And what about those in my church that have children who are gays and lesbians? Would I need to ban them as well? I wonder what Jesus would do with those you would cast out?
Hi E. Bert - thanks for sharing that. I am a little surprised that the middle ground attendees didn’t learn more from the Episcopals. If they ever overturn it the next sound you’ll hear is me leaving.
That quote is sad but classic in a sense. I hope the conference let God know after they decided whether the behavior was sinful or not. I’ll bet He couldn’t wait to learn what they had decided.
Hi Steve,
Thanks for visiting and commenting. I’d be glad to answer that, but perhaps you could fill in some background first.
Would you agree that the degree to which someone is hard working, thoughtful and compassionate is irrelevant to whether other behaviors he or she may engage in are sinful? Or does possessing those traits offset sins in God’s eyes?
I do think that the fact that they aren’t pushing an agenda is a positive.
Re. those with GLBT children - I wasn’t sure if you were referring to banning the members or the members’ kids. Either way, I think you should consider how you would consider expelling anyone engaging in unrepentent immoral behavior (e.g., 1 Corinthians 5).
How would you approach someone who is openly committing adultery? How would Jesus deal with them?
If anyone’s interested in reading a round-up of General Conference legislation pertaining to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I’ve blogged on this. There were well over a dozen petitions!
“How would you approach someone who is openly committing adultery? How would Jesus deal with them?”
Preach the Gospel!
2 Timothy 4:1-5
Romans 10: 14-16
There is no way that anyone living in gross and heinous sin can have a close relationship with the Father. All sin mars the relationship, especially those which He considers more of an abomination than others. Preachers who do not address sin do their congregation no favors and do not truly love their flock, being concerned for even their eternal lives. If they do not teach what is sin, how can congregations repent of them? If they do not preach the Word, how can they be truly saved rather than mere mental assent and being entertained? The full counsel of God must be preached!! If we are not taught what sin is in God’s eyes and what the consequences are, how can we see the depths of love that He has for us- He endured the pain of the Cross and the full wrath of God for our sins for? What rich grace He has for us sinners!
Christ never excused or overlooked sin when He was here. He addressed them directly, especially those of unbelief and hypocrisy. He loved us so much, He shows us how we have broken God’s Law and how He makes intersession for us. Sometimes He got in their faces and overturned tables. Sometimes He was blunt and matter of a fact. Sometimes He was gentle and kind. No matter how it was said, the harsh reality and weight of the heinousness of sin came across to the listeners. Sometimes people repented, their hearts soften and remade by the Spirit. Sometimes the people hardened their hearts. No matter the consequences, He preached on sin, repentance, forgiveness and belief in Him for salvation. He didn’t overlook or excuse the sin, because He loves us THAT much. So neither must His preachers overlook and excuse sin away out of the love of Christ.
Man of God, preach the Gospel in season and out of season!
I should have said “NOT being concerned for even their eternal lives.”
I think it’s sad that so many try to whitewash the sin by saying that the people are hard workers, and private about their sin. Sin is never private. It never just effects the sinning party, but effects the entire body of Christ. That is why Paul said to expel the immoral brother. It’s a cancer that need to be cut out, whether or not they are hardworking or not.
Wow, this has been incredibly insightful and encouraging. Thanks for all of the great resources and information. I’ve been having a Facebook debate with several UMC friends who are adamant that homosexuality isn’t a sin. It’s been very frustrating, but it’s really gotten me into the Word which has been amazing and encouraging.
Elisa, I really enjoyed your comment regarding the pastor’s duty to shepherd his flock. I agree. While I believe it’s important for him to do this, we must also encourage him to do so with loving-kindness. This particular sin seems to be where Satan has found his foothold with our culture, and we must profess God’s Word to them and pray over them for healing. It’s a hard position to be in, but we cannot reach a point where we stop abiding by the Lord’s will simply because it’s uncomfortable or unpopular.
Thanks again!
Hi Ashley - thanks for visiting and commenting! Blessings to you for taking the sound biblical approach. Yes, it can be very frustrating dealing with those taking an unblbical approach!