I saw another person use this argument so I updated this post starting at the point in bold and rattled off a few of the Bible themes supporting the pro-life view. It is a handy summary to copy and paste for those claiming that God is OK with abortions.
A pro-abortion post trying to advance the “babies are parasites and women own their bodies, so abortions are OK” argument also brought up the “abortions are OK because God lets miscarriages happen” canard.
My reply:
Re. spontaneous abortion [i.e., miscarriages]: Do I really have to explain to you that there is a difference between (1) and (2) below? (To state the obvious, this logic applies whether the human being is in the womb or outside it.)
(1) A human being dies of natural causes.
(2) A human being has her skull crushed and limbs ripped off by another human being (In case it wasn’t clear, this was done against her will).
You don’t need a Bible to see the difference.
And here’s another one:
If that’s the case, and the human adjective is important, then God is far and away the most prolific abortionist there is, since upwards of 50% of conceptuses are spontaneously aborted, and on the order of 20% of ‘normal’ fetuses are spontaneously aborted post-implantation. If “human” life begins at conception, human-induced abortion is way down the list of things that cause fetal loss
Do you really want to bring God into this, or is that a red herring? Among other things, God knit us together in our mother’s womb, Jesus is the author of life (and the unborn are most definitely alive — no one would “need” an abortion otherwise), God hates shedding innocent blood (present in nearly all abortions), we should help the “least of these,” we should love our neighbor (who may be the least likely person we think is our neighbor), He “made us / formed us in the womb,” He knew us in the womb, children are a reward from him, we are sinful from conception, the life is in the blood (which is at 10 days), we should help the weak, all humans have equal value, we should do unto others (would you want someone to crush and dismember you?).
Oh, and don’t kill innocent human beings.
That’s just for starters. Try flipping the book open and reading any part of it and you’ll find more. I’ve got chapters and verses if anyone wants them in this set of pro-life training slides. I highly recommend reading them all, as they are address the core fallacies of pro-legalized abortion reasoning and virtually any argument you’ll hear.
Now most people who raise the God issue are pro-legalized abortionists or just flat out pro-abortionists (they want your tax $ to be used to fund abortions, which strips away any pretensions of choice).
And, of course, even if “human-induced abortion is way down the list of things that cause fetal loss” that still doesn’t prove that they are morally acceptable or that it isn’t a scientific fact that the unborn are human beings.
Think about it: Using that reasoning, for any disease that wasn’t the #1 killer of humans outside the womb you could dismiss it by saying, “______ is way down the list of things that cause death.” It might be true, but so what?
They obviously don’t care what God thinks and just use arguments like that as red herrings.
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I am on the Entertainment blog on blackvoices.com trying to show abortion is just inhumane. One lady state that there isn’t enough resources for single ladies so…………… These people are just outrageous with their ideals.
Good point, Mercedes. If the “not enough resources” argument applies to unborn human beings then why not to those outside the womb?
Neil, I mosied on over to that site…and began leaving somewhat intelligent comments. I honestly tried. After about half an hour of reading (my wife is in Michigan and I am stuck here in Abu Dhabi for another week so I have time to read!) my comments devolved into useless one-liners and attempts at humour.
I found it unbelievable… the darkness coming from some of the people there. I have to give you and Theo credit for maintaining calm after literally being called ‘retarted’. My reaction is to laugh, and then make fun of someone who can’t even spell their insult properly.
I really do feel pity for people so deceived. It seems hopeless, and makes me all the more thankful for the power of Christ. There is hope yet. For them and me.
Sadly, one of the most pathetic commenters kept telling us how she was a Christian.
One day saying “babies are parasites” will be similar to saying the Holocaust never happened.
unbelievable.
Neil, I took a look at that site, and I agree that you are some sort of superhuman to put up with these angry insults.
I think it would be fun to ask her whether sex-selection abortions are OK, since it is just a lump of tissue, right?
It will bring even more moderates onto your side than you already have.
I must have forgotten to bring gender selection abortions up. Usually I do that when they accuse me of being anti-women. Drives ‘em nuts and highlights their hypocrisy. Abortion is the ultimate misogyny, especially when unborn females are being destroyed precisely because they are female.
Someone did bring up gender selection abortions. I forget who. I think it was Katie that said that it wasn’t a big deal because in the US it didn’t happen all that much. I replied that that it was irrelevant where gender-specific murder occured, it was still wrong. I then brought up China’s one child policy and how females have been aborted to such an extent that it has skewed the gender balance of a country with a billion people.
Bad, you say? I think you are being extremely kind (and unbelievably patient from your comments) to those people. I don’t think there’s a perfect word to describe how horrendous and pathetic their pro-choice arguments were. And going by their choice of words, I find it so ironic that they claim to have made ‘mature’ decisions in their life.
As the saying goes, you guys (all of you pro-lifers who made some excellent arguments which the pro-abortionists so conveniently ignored answering) really do have the patience of a saint!
*their lives i mean!
Kids get hit by cars all the time, so I guess that justifies my driving around trying to hit kids on my way home tonight.
People that use these rationalizations are insane.
I’ve often wondered if such favor and blessing would be extended to the late term abortion of puppies.
Good question. People would go insane over that. Abortions are legal because they relate to perceptions of sexual freedom.
There is little accountability too. It seems that some people use abortions are birth control and a viable choice in case “it” happens. The perception of children in this country seems to be going way down. I read somewhere that child abuse has actually increased in this country. I don’t know if that is true, I’ll have to take a look.
Hi Mercedes,
You are correct. Child abuse has skyrocketed in the last few decades:
The Rise of Child Abuse as a Result of Abortion – great read by Randy Alcorn — http://randyalcorn.blogspot.com/2009/06/rise-of-child-abuse-as-result-of.html
That is just sad. Twisted logic indeed.
I’ve even been called a murderer because I kill mice. (And I hunt to, that never sits well with liberals!)
I’ve just spent the last two hours reading all the comments on that post. The comment that summed it all up for me was the 17 year old girl who came in at the end, saying she was considering an abortion but after reading all the comments had decided not to. It’s not hard to see why.
The pro-abortion comments just got progressively more bizarre, bitter and personal.
Neil is more eloquent and rational than I am. I usually just quote The Onion at them: World Death Rate Holding Steady at 100%.
Yet, every civilisation has prohibited murder. Go figure.
Oh, that is priceless. I may be borrowing that as well.
I borrowed it from the Queen of Swords and then applied it to abortion.
It’s all yours.
I especially like how in your second example, the idiot uses the term “spontaneous abortion” in place of miscarriage, as if they are the same thing. People die unexpectedly at all ages, but inside the womb, it’s a “spontaneous abortion”.
Well it is a recognised medical term. We lost our first baby at 20 weeks, and that was what we were told had happened (I’d never heard it before then either). They can’t determine any reasons for it, it’s just something that happens.
Michael, I’m sorry to hear about that. That is always so difficult.
Good point, Marshall. I pointed that out on another blog where a guy was doing the same thing and conflating miscarriages and abortion. I keep asking if they can’t see the difference between the two and they keep changing the subject.
Well, when people call themselves Christians and still think it’s okay to abort a child, it’s really sad. There are many passages in the Bible which clearly establishes that it makes God immensely angry when innocent blood is shed. And who could be more innocent than unborn children? Anyway, when any of my Christian friends say abortion is okay, I point out the passage from Jeremiah where the Lord says, “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. ” And we all know God’s love is constant. So He loves us from even before we were conceived. So it’s plain and simple, when you kill an unborn child, you are killing someone God loves, and the revenge is His.
As for “spontaneous abortion”, I personally think it’s unfair to equate that to willful abortions because in this case it’s the mother who suffers the horrors of the ‘abortion’ and not the child(Because it was natural death). My sis miscarried her first 3 babies and the fourth was an ectopic pregnancy, where the baby died and my sis lost one of her fallopian tubes. Do you think it’s fair to compare her with a woman who goes and kills her child willfully?
Hi Shalini,
I was just pointing out on another site how radically different abortions for ectopic pregnancies are compared to “regular” abortions.
The doctor who sponsors the CareNet Pregnancy Center where I’m on the board performs one of those a week, and he’s obviously pro-life.
If you don’t perform those, the baby and the mom die. They are consistent with the pro-life ethic.
I don’t even consider those abortions. Ectopic pregnancy has no hope of survival. They are miscarriages for all intents and purposes.
As you say Neil, it is a life saving procedure for the mother, and there is no hope for the fetus.
That’s precisely my point Neil. In situations like those there’s not even a choice of saving the child because the baby formed in the fallopian tube has very rare chances of survival and the only thing that would result in letting the baby grow is the death of the mother. The intent here is to save the only life that could be saved. It’s totally unfair comparing that to an act of cruelty like abortion, really!