Who remembers Joe Isuzu, the pathological liar in some funny car commercials? He would make outrageous claims while the subtitles read He’s lying.
I thought of him when processing the lies from the health care reform proponents. Everyone can slip at times and make mistakes, but with enough time and experience you learn if you can trust people. These folks have failed to be honest repeatedly and in major, indisputable ways. I’ll just focus on three of them.
1. Abortion — as I noted in Of course the health care bill includes abortion, if the bill didn’t have (barely) hidden abortion coverage, why wouldn’t pro-abortion groups be lobbying for its inclusion? This is the mother-of-all-health-care-bills and we’re to believe that these groups who live for unrestricted abortion rights are going to sit idly by and not have any coverage? They have always insisted that abortion is part of “reproductive health,” so why would they sit out this discussion and campaign so aggressively for the bill? I’m insulted that they expect us to believe that.
If it doesn’t cover abortions, then why was there opposition to an amendment to have abortions explicitly excluded?
The most amazing rationalization I heard for opposition to an anti-abortion amendment is that it would be redundant with the Hyde Amendment, which prevents federal funds from being used for abortions. Even if that claim were true (it isn’t — they have every plan to get rid of Hyde, which is renewed annually) it would be laughable. Consider their overall message: “The bill is 1,000+ pages and we haven’t even read it, but we are so compulsive that we couldn’t stand to have one paragraph with a redundant anti-abortion rule.”
Anyone believe that?
2. Coverage for illegal immigrants – Obama was emphatic that the plan didn’t cover illegals, which was only true in a hyper-technical sense. But amendments to add a simple ID check have repeatedly failed, so who expects me to believe that they don’t intend for it to cover illegals? (And yes, I know they get care today in emergency rooms and such. My point is that the proponents are lying).
3. Single payer — just watch this clip and know that you’ve been lied to repeatedly when they say they want to increase competition and don’t plan to have a single payer system:
Three big lies, and that’s just for starters. You don’t even need to see the subtitles to know it.
Neil,
They aren’t “Health care reform proponents.”
They are “anti-healthcare choicers.”
If they are not protecting their stance on abortion and illegal immigrants, why would they not allow those provisions to state clearly that no funding will be provided? They think the whole country is dumb enough to fall for this?
Marilyn
No, just a little over half.
If he’s a liar, what does that make Joe Wilson?
Nice try making this about abortion. Abortion is legal, and it’s a medical procedure. Fight that law if you like, but it’s not part of the national health care debate for anyone but people trying to produce a smokescreen.
Another smokescreen is the illegal immigrants. If you don’t like them in your country, then fight to have them sent back to wherever you think they belong, but in civilized countries, people who show up at hospitals get treated, and that will not change under this plan. Again, this has nothing to do with national health care.
Both of these issues exist no matter what happens with Obama’s health care plan – remove them from the discussion if you want to make an informed decision.
I love the people that use the “extra 30 million people in the system” argument. It’s like they depend on 30 million people having no health care so they can have good health care. That’s really nice.
You are completely mistaken. This is about whether Federal funds pay for abortions. Today, they do not (other than the Planned Parenthood subsidies which allegedly only help the non-abortion side of the business — yeah, right).
Wrong. It is most definitely about changes to abortion policy. And to the point of the post, which you completely missed, it is about whether we should trust the people advancing this plan.
I demonstrated three indisputable areas where they are lying. Whether you think the underlying issues will change things is irrelevant. They are liars, so why should we trust anything they are saying?
Your comments were just red herrings.
This is also not about trust. Would you accept a nationalized health care plan if you trusted the president implementing it? You are fundamentally against providing people universal health care, yet you keep saying it’s about trust. It’s not. You don’t want universal health care, even from someone you trust.
Isn’t your problem that abortion is allowed at all, given your view that there is no difference between abortion, and the murder of a teenager? If so, isn’t the person paying for it moot? You want insurance companies to be in charge of health care, but I’ve heard that two thirds of them cover elective abortions. The government would simply be taking over what is already being funded.
We’re not supposed to “trust” the government. We’re supposed to watch them, and yell at them when they do something they said they wouldn’t. You do that, and I do that, and it’s a good thing. Bush was a liar too. Most people are liars when you take everything they have ever said, and look for things that are not true.
He lied. We don’t want universal health care for a lot of reasons. He tries to say those reasons aren’t valid. You would have to be foolish or ignorant to believe him.
If we agree that we shouldn’t trust the gov’t, a better solution is to not hand them 1/7 of the economy instead of handing it to them and “watching” them, especially when they are such liars.
Well fortunately for the ones less fortunate, the “we” you refer to is the minority.
I’m not foolish or ignorant in believe Obama that national health care is the way to go. I actually use national health care all of the time. One might say that you must be foolish or ignorant to dismiss so easily the opinion of a person who has a vast knowledge of a national health care system from many angles.
As for 1/7 of the economy, I didn’t realize that the entire pharmaceutical industry was going to be government run, as well as all the companies that make prosthetics, rubber gloves, gurneys, tongue depressors, needles, incubators and terrible food. All of these things will still be required, and all will be purchased on the free market, so to say the government will be handed 1/7 of the economy is most definitely a lie.
Neil, do you “trust” your health insurance company?
Why is he such a pathological liar about it then? If it is so swell why can’t he tell the truth?
C’mon, you can do better than that false comparison. Or can you? Do I have to explain that the choice isn’t between gov’t monopoly and a non-gov’t monopoly? Do I have to state that I trust a competitive environment more than the gov’t?
Give it a rest.
Most of us on the right, and a growing number of folks from the center and center-left, don’t want nationalized health care, period. On top of that, this guy is lying about it. So we’ve got two problems, a system most people don’t want, and the fact that they system that could be forced upon us won’t be what they say it is.
Insurance companies aren’t in charge of health care. They are in charge of honoring the contracts between them and their customers to provide funds for procedures covered under the terms of those contracts. If I find better terms with a different company, I can switch. If Barry and the other Dem jerks remove the barriers now in place, I could search the nation over for the best terms, which would force most companies to adjust their terms so as to attract more customers. (The nat’l system would have no such incentive)
Companies that cover abortions now are often forced to by their states. Insurers are forced to cover many things that aren’t catastropic, the reason for insurance companies in the first place. Remove that mandate, and the price would drop. One could pay for only the coverage one wants and needs, not the one size fits all that is the result of previous gov’t interference.
If Barry wants to help, he should look to those things that cause a rise in health care costs and fix those, not try to re-invent the wheel. Then he wouldn’t have to lie to sell us what we don’t want or need.
The points you make about the current insurance system are good, and I agree with them. Making those changes would do a lot to help, in addition to legal reform to help protect doctors from silly lawsuits.
I think a system like that would probably be able to provide good affordable care to about 75% of the population. The rest would be out of luck, and that is my problem with it.
Illness is something that changes everything about a person, especially when a life is threatened. In a society where we have the resources, I don’t think it is unreasonable to give everyone a basic level of care for free. It’s the best investment we can make.
Barry made it about abortion when he said on television, to a joint session of congress, that abortion won’t be covered.
Was he not asked by a lot of people about abortion being covered? Would you rather he didn’t answer that question?
He lied.
He sure did!
I love the Joe Isuzu commercials. But I was always confused as to what was real and what was a lie. Just like now, I can never tell when President Obama is telling the truth or a lie (well, I’m beginning to learn some discernment there).
I work with a guy who looks & sounds just like Joe Isuzu. He’s in sales and does EXCELLENT presentations. But, like Joe Isuzu, he flies a little loose with the facts. Customers love him anyway.
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