Pro-lifers don’t care about kids after they are born?

Jill Stanek, pro-lifer extraordinaire, posed this Weekend question: Are pro-lifers going to adopt all the unwanted babies? As I noted in the comments section there, I love that question.  We should welcome this objection by pro-legalized abortionists. It lets us explain the underlying fallacy of their question and how they never apply it in situations outside the womb, how pro-lifers do a lot to help before and after delivery, and how the same obligation of caring falls on them.

They may not convert but any objective middle-grounder will see the merits.  Here’s a post I wrote a couple of years back that explains it.

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baby1.jpgOne of the most common sound bites / jokes that pro-choicers make about pro-lifers is that we are infatuated with the fetus but don’t care about kids after they are born.   The message is that if we don’t adopt all unwanted children then we have no right to complain about abortion.  It is an important sound bite to be able to address, because it is very common and even pro-lifers I know are not only intimidated by it but they have used it themselves as a reason to remain silent about abortion.

The “Pro-lifers don’t care about kids after they are born” line is one of my favorite arguments to rebut.  I teach people how to do it in pro-life training sessions in a two-step approach.  The tone of the conversation is important.  These arguments are powerful and quite effective if they are laid out in a calm, reasoned approach.  You probably won’t convert the rabid pro-choicers, but most of the middle-grounders will get the point.

First, show that pointing out a moral wrong does not obligate you to take responsibility for the situation.

If your neighbor is beating his wife, you call the police.  The police don’t say, “Hey, buddy, unless you are willing to marry her yourself then we aren’t going to stop him from beating her.”  You can use child or animal abuse as examples as well.  Most people get the point pretty quickly.

Or ask the pro-choicer what they would do if the government decided to reduce the number of homeless people by killing them.  Could he protest that without having to house and feed them all himself?

You can also use the “trot out the toddler” approach promoted by Stand to Reason and ask if it would be acceptable to object to murdering a toddler even if you aren’t willing to adopt her.  Of course, the pro-choicer will always recognize the moral good to protest toddler-killing.  Then you can point out that killing innocent human beings is immoral and that the unborn are human beings.  So pointing out this moral wrong does not obligate us to do anything further.

Second, explain that while we aren’t morally obligated to help after the babies are born to be able to speak out against abortion, Christians do many things with their time and money anyway – orphanages, Crisis Pregnancy Centers (CPCs), food pantries, etc.

When I’m teaching CPC volunteers I remind them of all that they and the center do: Pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, food, clothes, diapers, life skill training, parenting training, post-abortion counseling and more – all for free!  And, of course, we share the Gospel with the clients if they are interested (Saving lives now and for eternity!).

The workers are mostly volunteers and the leaders make below-market wages because they believe in the cause.  Most centers receive no government funding, so all the money comes from donations.  There are far more Crisis Pregnancy Centers than there are abortion clinics.

When I tell people about CPCs the typical reaction is, “I had no idea.”  Most people aren’t aware of all the good being done there.  In theory, CPCs are something pro-choicers could support as well.  After all, if women choose to keep their child this is a great way to help them.  But Planned Parenthood et al consider them public enemy #1 because we take away some of their business.

You can also ask pro-choicers what Planned Parenthood and the like do for hurting women once the babies are born.  It is a really, really short list.  Do they provide free post-abortion counseling? (Of course not, because who would need that, right?)  Do they give diapers, formula, etc.?  Hey, they don’t even give free abortions (though they would love for your tax dollars to fund some).

Having said all that, I do think the church can and should be doing even more in the area of adoptions and support for orphans.  Not because having pro-life views requires that, but because it is the right thing to do regardless of whether abortion is legal or illegal.  Sponsoring a child from World Vision or a similar organization is a great way to start: For only $28 per month you can feed, clothe, educate and correspond with a needy child.

Here’s a bonus argument: A recent Stand to Reason Podcast brought up another good point that I hadn’t thought of.  Here’s an additional response to use: Unless someone concedes to being truly pro-abortion (i.e., they expect women to always have abortions or raise the children with no help from the public), then the pro-choicers are obligated to adopt the children as well.  Either that, or give up espousing their pro-choice views.  After all, if you claim to be pro-choice and the women choose life, then the same care giving obligation falls on you.

Think about it.  It may seem subtle at first, but it is a completely consistent argument.  Pro-lifers don’t think it should be an option to kill the unborn, so pro-choicers use the false logic that we can’t complain about abortion if we won’t adopt all the kids and raise them to adulthood.  But if the woman decides to choose life, then the pro-choicer would have the same moral obligation to raise the kids.

Here’s how I played this out in this comment thread:

Pro-legalized abortion commenter: Hard decisions belong between a pregnant woman and her caregivers, not “holier than thou” intruders, unless they personally are willing to raise, including medical care, education, and life care, all those fertilized eggs.

My response: Another canard.

Answer me this: Let’s say the government decides to solve the problem of homelessness by killing homeless people. Can you protest this without being willing to house them yourself?

You can also substitute other examples (Can you call the police if your neighbor is abusing his wife and children without having to marry her and adopt the kids?).

It is a simple question designed to point out the primary error of your argument: You don’t have to take ownership of a situation just because you protest a moral evil.

And even though I don’t have to raise those human beings (the ones you like to call fertilized eggs) just because I protest the evil of abortion, I actually do a lot with my own time and money via CareNet Pregnancy Center.

And by the way, unless you are truly pro-abortion, then you are obligated to help as well. After all, if you claim to be pro-choice and the women choose life, then the same care giving obligation falls on you.

So that argument self-destructs in at least three ways.

Finally, consider if the child was outside the womb. Do the women and her caregivers get to decide if the toddler lives or dies? Of course not. So the only question is whether the unborn is a human being. Since it is a scientific fact that she is, then people shouldn’t get to decide whether to kill her. And Christians especially shouldn’t support anyone’s right to kill her.

Other commenter: BTW, half of fertilized eggs don’t implant in the uterus, so is it illegal for a woman to have mensus?

My response: Are you seriously claiming that you don’t see the difference between the following?

1. Human being dies of natural causes.

2. Human being is crushed and dismembered by another human being.

I think most people can see the difference, whether 1 and 2 occur inside or outside the womb.

I’ve heard all the pro-legalized abortion sound bites many times and will be glad to debunk more for you. I hope that you are intellectually honest and reconsider your position on this crucial issue.

In summary, pointing out the moral evil of abortion does not obligate one to adopt all the babies.  But pro-lifers do help anyway.  A lot.  And they do it with their own time and money, not their neighbors’.

When pro-legalized abortion people try to put you on the defensive by asking how many kids you have adopted, use the reasons above to respond.  Also, you can ask how many they adopt from orphages.   If they haven’t adopted any, then according to their logic they couldn’t protest their destruction.

Big hat tip: Stand to Reason pro-life training materials

13 thoughts on “Pro-lifers don’t care about kids after they are born?

  1. Great response! :)

    I personally love the animal abuse & homeless examples, because they are so close to what people do every day.

    On a side note, PP does not do adoption referrals (well, a few thousand per year, versus about a quarter-million abortions), does not provide medical care, baby items, parenting classes, or anything BUT abortion.

    • Thanks, Roxanne. But do give PP credit: They care so much about women that they offer free abortions to those who can’t afford them.

      Oh, wait, no they don’t . . . “that’ll be cash up front or we won’t kill your baby.”

  2. Neil,

    Great review of this issue. I’ve two questions for you:

    1) What are the full, legal names of the CPC’s of which you are familiar? I’d like to find some in my area.

    2) Why do you always seem to refer to an unborn as “she” or “her”? Just wondering.

    • Hi Marshall,

      Sorry for the delay in posting — for some reason this got caught in my filter.

      1. Care Net Pregnancy of Northwest Houston (I think all the Care Net Pregnancy Centers have similarities, though I’d love to compare and contrast if you find one by you) — http://www.carenetnw.com/ . I think Heartbeat International has a similar operating model as well — http://www.heartbeatinternational.org/ . Hope that helps — if not, let me know. I think you’d really enjoy getting involved with them in some way.

      2. Just a subtle reminder that abortion is anti-women. So many pro-aborts try to play the lame “pro-lifers are anti-women” card, to which I respond with the “nearly all gender selection abortions destroy females for the sole reason that they are female” card. I try to remind people that the unborn are human by using “he” or “she” instead of “it,” and the use of “she” is deliberate. Of course, it is just as evil to destroy males in the womb.

  3. These are great responses. On a side note, I would love to adopt a baby that would otherwise be doomed to abortion. I plan to find a CPC that I can get involved with somehow when I move back to the states.

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  5. Well, assuming that most anti abortionist are conservation, the answer is they don’t care. Otherwise, why are conservatives against universal health care and social services? They want the child to be born but they don’t want their tax dollars to help raise it. Why? Because it’s not about the child. It’s about having the last word and passing judgment upon people whom you believe are morally inferior to you.

    Jesus would not approve.

    • Hi Rob — Did you even read the post?!

      Do you realize that I could make the same comment about you: “Rob thinks it is OK to kill innocent human beings in the womb. Why? Because it’s not about the child (duh!). It’s about having the last word and passing judgment upon people whom you believe are morally inferior to you.”

      Now, would that be productive?

      Jesus would not approve.

      Hmmmm . . . so Jesus would approve of crushing and dismembering the child in the womb (http://tinyurl.com/yzjq4lv) but he would disapprove of telling people not to crush and dismember innocent human beings? Wow, not sure where you came across that made-up “Jesus.”

    • There are many reasons to oppose universal health care. One is taxpayer-funded abortions. Others include increased costs, lesser service, more bureaucracy.

    • Rob: logical fallacy. You are assuming that the only way to legitimately care about people is to institute a government programme (however inefficient, misguided, and harmful) to ameliorate problems.

      It shouldn’t take a conservative to figure out the problems with that line of thinking. For starters, we value results more than intentions.

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