Roundup

Top 20 Pro-Socialism Sound Bites of Obama, Advisors and Allies — Must viewing!

Health insurers are dropping coverage of children – What?!  You mean that government regulations cause people and businesses to change behaviors?  That’s never happened before.

You know those mandates that force insurance companies to cover children of adults until they are 26 years old? And the ones that forbid rejecting children who have pre-existing conditions? Yeah that costs insurance companies money. Can you believe that? Health care costs money! It costs more money to cover people for mandated coverages! Who could have foreseen that? Not Obama and his merry band of tenured Ivy League hermits, who have never held private sector jobs in their entire lives . . . Yeah, insurance companies don’t like being forced to add coverages, (= risk of having to pay claims), while keeping premiums the same.

Benny Hinn Denies Affair Despite Pics – I hope this ends his ministry and Paula White’s as well, but it probably won’t.  What frauds.  Hey, btw, he’s short a couple million dollars, so be sure to send some his way.

“Hey BarackObama, our relationship isn’t working out. Its not me, its you” -America’s Youth

Can you imagine if people had stood up to the Left like Andrew Breitbart all this time? – He does it right.  Watch the video and how he merely asks the Astroturf protestors to explain their signs.  They all scatter!  These “protestors” are being paid by unions.

What kinds of experiences do women have after an abortion? – This is sad.  Post abortion trauma is real, and Planned Parenthood and the rest of the pro-aborts won’t tell you about it.  Apparently it is bad for their business to tell you about how their services will destroy your child and you.  But there is help: Go find a Crisis Pregnancy Center like Care Net!

Obama Revises ‘Declaration of Independence’ Omits ‘Creator’ – but he’s totally a passionate Christian!

funny pictures of cats with captions

funny pictures-BOO-YA! 54,509 ants! World record, baby! Guiness, here I come!

funny pictures-Cat Fact #155: Cats should NOT order in the Drive-Thru.

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  1. Hi Neil,

    Since you linked to Wintery’s post, I’ll reply here (since for some reason Wintery deletes fellow Christians comments unless the commenter explicitly agrees with him). Since you rounded it up here, and we’ve had friendly dialog before, maybe I can get your perspective…

    You know those mandates that force insurance companies to cover children of adults until they are 26 years old? And the ones that forbid rejecting children who have pre-existing conditions?
    MADNESS! What were they THINKING! I forgot that in America, we reject children! Who needs them anyway? It’s all about the profit!

    Yeah that costs insurance companies money. Can you believe that? Health care costs money! It costs more money to cover people for mandated coverages! Who could have foreseen that? Not Obama and his merry band of tenured Ivy League hermits, who have never held private sector jobs in their entire lives.
    Summary = Money > Lives. The Ivy League hermits had it backwards they actually believe that Lives > Money. What madness are they teaching in Ivy league colleges nowadays?

    Yeah, insurance companies don’t like being forced to add coverages, (= risk of having to pay claims), while keeping premiums the same.
    I know, keeps down those all important profits. Actually having to pay money to heal sick people? America is going down the tubes!

    It increases their losses.
    nuff said?

    And if they can’t raise premiums to cover the increased exposure to claims on these additional coverages, then they go out of business.
    No, it means they go from 65% profit margin down to a 20% profit margin. I have no problem with that.

    And then you get to pay for your own health care costs out-of-pocket.
    Uh, we already do pay out of pocket. It translates into lower salaries for “covered” employees. At most companies, contract “non-covered” employees get a significantly higher salary because the company doesn’t have to pay for health care. For example, let’s say I have a $100K salary with heath care, the contract employee sitting right next to me, doing the exact same job I do, gets $130K without health care. So it is out of pocket. It’s just structured in a way that it’s nearly transparent to you. Ask your VP of HR at your company, he/she will tell you the same. I’d rather get the higher salary and pay my healthcare as a direct expense, rather than my employer “determining” how much less to pay me because they cover my healthcare.

    The only person who did not see this coming is Barack Obama. He understands less about economics than my keyboard.
    This may be true. =) Although, which would you rather have, a rich country, or a healthy country?

    In regards to the Obama teleprompter thing that’s going around today…
    It started off, he was a questionable Christian because they don’t like Jeremiah Wright’s theology, lately people have been saying he’s “definitely” a muslim, now I’m hearing screams of him being atheist. It certainly can’t be all three. Which do you think?

    • Hi Eldnar,

      If you really believe all that you wrote about health care, then start a health care insurance company that isn’t profitable and see how long it lasts.

      And they weren’t rejecting the children until this bill came along. Of course they didn’t cover pre-existing conditions. Neither does your home insurance company if you wait until the house is on fire before you call them.

      And if their profits are that great, invest in them. You’ll get a nice return and can try to influence the company you own a part of.

      Re. Obama: I’ve said for years that I don’t think he’s a Muslim. Or a Christian, if words mean anything. I think it is clear whom he worships.

      And he wasn’t “questionable” because people didn’t “like” Wright’s theology, but because it was so transparently false. Even he eventually said that — after 20 yrs.

      • Well wouldn’t you say a health insurance company running @ a 20% profit margin is still… profitable? Fine, the CEO can’t buy another Bugatti, I’m ok with that. Aren’t you? These guys aren’t running the risk of bankruptcy. If I had the means I would DEFINITELY run a health insurance company at a 20% margin, as would you.

        To say they weren’t rejecting children (and others) is totally incorrect. When my sister and I turned 19 (we were fresh out out high school college students still at home, with part time jobs) we had no insurance and were stuck.

        This 4-month old baby was rejected before the reform (the only reason he was accepted was the media got a hold of it).
        http://consumerist.com/2009/10/fat-little-babies-cant-get-insurance.html

        I had a friend that got laid off, he lost his health insurance, when he tried to get new insurance while he was unemployed he was labeled as having a pre-existing condition. That’s not waiting until the house catches on fire, that’s what was happening to a TON of people. That’s why layoffs were so scary, they were literally *deadly*.

        There are many other examples, but my browser almost exploded at the incredible number of pre-existing horror stories that kept coming up. It’s not an old wives tale, it’s documented fact.

        And if their profits are that great, invest in them. You’ll get a nice return and can try to influence the company you own a part of.
        I don’t want health insurance companies to be hugely profitable at the expense of lives. Do you? I want them to run a low margin and help keep Americans healthy. I’m willing to contribute to that. Why are people fighting for them to be running on a 65%+ margin? I mean you can’t be serious? Please tell me you’re not…

        Tthe problem is health care reform came from….Obama. Any other president, it would be no problem. Our nation has ALWAYS clamored for government run health care. ALWAYS. Just because they dislike Obama, they act as if they have to dislike him giving them…. exactly what they asked for.

        http://logisticsmonster.com/2009/11/13/new-gallup-poll-americans-now-think-healthcare-is-not-governments-role/

        The facts speak for themselves.

    • Although, which would you rather have, a rich country, or a healthy country?

      I think that is a false dichotomy. Poor countries are typically less healthy, and Obama & Co. are doing their best to make use poorer.

      • I certainly didn’t say America should be poor. Every president Dem/Rep is accused of “making America poorer”. Real Estate is still in the dumps from 8 years of Bush. Both parties spend money like there’s no tomorrow.

        Health care reform is going to be costly. America has wanted it for a long time. Presidents have promised it for a long time. Only one delivered. Some people prefer politicians to just to talk, I prefer they backup their campaign promises. Obama won huge support for his position on health care. He promised it, he delivered it, congress and the senate wrote it.

        Don’t mistake me as an Obama fanboy. I’m not, I have scathing comment for the man; but I am able to separate my dislike of some of his decisions from my emotions, and give him credit for the good decisions, and blame him for the bad.

      • When you find a good decision of his, let me know. Actually, the fact that he decided to change nothing about the many security and war related policies of Bush was a good decision, but I don’t count simply doing what the last guy did as a real decision of HIS. Obamacare doesn’t come close to counting as a good decision and to say it is just because he promised to force some kind of plan down our throats is silly.

        But let’s deal with two issues:

        First, I am one who agrees with Wintery Knight quite a bit and sometimes MY comments don’t post. Don’t be such a whiner. Sometimes the technology fails. Of course looking at your comments here, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve worn out your welcome.

        Secondly, I’ve seen other examples of this but the message is the same: the profit margin of health insurance companies is incredibly low. One source claims they average no more than $100-200 per policy. YOU pay for a double by-pass on that kind of margin.

        You are among the many who fail to understand the purpose of insurance at all. If we were truly dealing with greedy health insurance executives, that would be a different story. But you’re asking them to simply start paying for the health problems of anyone who demands it. That’s crap. It’s unfortunate that someone loses their coverage for whatever reason. But to insist that another company should be forced to cover a burning house is absolutely goofy (I’d prefer more colorful terms that are more appropriate for the suggestion if not the venue).

        If you’re concerned about the children, then perhaps you’d like to donate to some worthy cause that will provide for them. You could also let people know that the health care responsibility of themselves and their families is their’s alone and not a company that exists to provide a service for profit. Who are you to demand that another do so on YOUR terms? What you demand is unsustainable for any health care company and it’s just as unsustainable for the taxpayers who will be forced to cough up more dough in taxes to pay for this boondoggle. Get a clue.

      • Marshall… Nice to meet you.

        When you find a good decision of his, let me know.
        Good decision = Saying, “Congress, implement health care reform, since you represent the constituents you guys write it in a way that will make your constituents happy. You will each be accountable to your constituents come November.” Last I looked that’s how America’s form of government works. Do you disagree?

        Obama didn’t force the mandate, the mandate came from Republicans (and implemented first by Romney) it’s there for very good reasons, and I agree with them completely.

        looking at your comments here, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’ve worn out your welcome.
        Please tell me what comments have mine here have been rude, or disrespectful? If I have been either please point it out and I’ll be the first to apologize. Unless disagreement is considered “wearing out your welcome”, I can’t apologize for disagreeing. Neil, if I have been rude or disrespectful on your blog, please let me know, I will apologize.

        In fact Marshall, you’ve resorted to name calling by calling me a whiner. You’ve said I don’t have a life because I have a different opinion from you. You’ve claimed I don’t know how insurance works when I have good friends in the industry. You’ve told me I don’t have a clue because I don’t agree with you (I thought liberals were the only ones that don’t like disagreement and insult those with a different opinion) Which of us is disrespectful?

        In regards to Wintery I too agree with him quite a bit so I’m not sure what your point is.

        I subscribe to his site and ultimately it’s his blog so he makes the rules. I was just disappointed to have mistakenly assumed he too was an apologist who engages in dialog. So when I disagreed… I’d actually thought it was possible to have a fruitful discussion. Iron sharpens iron, I may have a wrong point of view on something, I figured I could dialog with a fellow Christian with whom I agree mostly, but occasionally disagree. I disagreed with that post because he was exalting money over lives. I thought he would correct me. I was wrong. I would chalk it up as a bug except it wasn’t the first time, and somehow “automagically” the agreement comments get through but the disagreement comments don’t. Wintery just wants a site where he can voice his opinion, with no opposition (which isn’t a problem). Like I said it’s his blog, his rules, it just might be nice to let visitors know that comments are only for those who rabidly agree.

        But you’re asking them to simply start paying for the health problems of anyone who demands it. That’s crap. It’s unfortunate that someone loses their coverage for whatever reason. But to insist that another company should be forced to cover a burning house is absolutely goofy
        Don’t create and knockdown a strawman, I have never asked them to pay insurance for anyone that demands it. I’m asking them to pay claims for people who have insurance, and to allow pre-existing conditions to be accepted BUT CHARGE THEM MORE instead of leaving them to die by denying them outright. That’s how the system should work.

        If you’re concerned about the children, then perhaps you’d like to donate to some worthy cause that will provide for them.
        I do care for the children and I contribute a portion of my income not only to my church that specifically assists children but other Christian ministries that assist children. I put my money where my mouth is. Your comments imply you are a shareholder of the insurance companies, and if so I completely understand your position, if not I don’t understand your motivation.

        Who are you to demand that another do so on YOUR terms?
        I am a follower of Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior who loved children and healed the poor and sick at EVERY opportunity, in fact He gave His life to help the sick (us). I will uncompromisingly follow His perfect example. Second, I am a citizen of the United States of America which gives me the absolute RIGHT to elect government officials to make laws that represent my demands. Which of these do you have a problem with? Are you a U.S. Citizen? Are you a follower of Jesus?

      • Eldnar,

        A good decision must have some relationship to good results. NO ONE, except for those who backed Obamacare likes Obamacare. It’s just that simple. (OK—except for you, too.) The Romney health care failed miserably and if Obamacare was in any way patterned after that fiasco, then that would make the decision even worse. America’s form of gov’t is NOT supposed to include implementing proven failures and doing so in a manner that ignores the protests of OTHER elected representatives of the people, or to vote on a bill that hasn’t been read and fully understood by those who voted for it. Do you disagree?

        “Please tell me what comments have mine here have been rude, or disrespectful?”

        My pleasure. How ’bout this:

        “Summary = Money > Lives.” …implying that anyone on the right or within the insurance industry is basing their decisions thusly. Or how ’bout this:

        “MADNESS! What were they THINKING! I forgot that in America, we reject children! Who needs them anyway? It’s all about the profit!” …implying the same thing with the added bonus of causing the suffering of children. No. Such is not rude or disrespectful of anyone.

        ” In fact Marshall, you’ve resorted to name calling by calling me a whiner.”

        But you are whining. That’s not “name calling” as in “Hey, Butthead!” It’s an accurate description of your commentary demonizing the health insurance industry.

        ” You’ve said I don’t have a life because I have a different opinion from you.”

        I’ve reviewed my comments and haven’t seen a statement like this. I did say “Get a clue” however, which is not the same as saying you don’t have a life. Maybe you’ll give me that impression later. But the absence of a clue thing I’ll have to stand by for the time being.

        ” You’ve claimed I don’t know how insurance works when I have good friends in the industry. You’ve told me I don’t have a clue because I don’t agree with you…”

        You DON’T know the industry as I’ve alluded with my link to a piece that counters your assertions regarding their profit margins. You DON’T know how insurance works by supporting policies that confound the industries ability to do what it set out to do: provide for protection against catastrophic events. It was NEVER meant to pay for your checkups or for bandaids on your boo-boo. The high costs are related to gov’t mandates forcing coverage of things the industry never had any intention of covering. (among other things not so unrelated)

        “In regards to Wintery I too agree with him quite a bit so I’m not sure what your point is.”

        My point is that I have yet to disagree with him and yet I have had comments not posted. Instead of assuming he was blocking me, I emailed my concern and found out that sometimes his blog provider’s software kicks some stuff into spam folders and he doesn’t always catch it. He apologized and retrieved and posted my comments.

        “I’m asking them to pay claims for people who have insurance, and to allow pre-existing conditions to be accepted BUT CHARGE THEM MORE instead of leaving them to die by denying them outright. That’s how the system should work.”

        Despite the fact that you didn’t originally state your opinion in quite this manner, you are still dictating to a private company how they should run their business. There is a misunderstanding that people have a right to be insured no matter what. This is not logical if you expect anyone to have any kind of insurance at all because of the costs that must be added to health care in order to provide such a thing as coverage for pre-existing conditions. Insurance is something that is to deal with what MIGHT occur, not what is occuring already. Why can’t you understand this? And how much would you say is a just amount for a premium to cover someone who will need tens of thousands of dollars of health care (if not hundreds of thousands or millions)? This is an issue that will also be an excuse to demonize the industry as they will certainly charge amounts that the poor (and most others) will see as exhorbitant. So who is this a strawman?

        “Your comments imply you are a shareholder of the insurance companies…”

        That’s an incredible leap. I wouldn’t be surprised if you pulled a hammy and need to tap your insurance coverage. Unless one of my mutual funds invests in any insurance companies (quite possible) then no, I’m not a shareholder. I’m just an average guy who can see a bad idea when it comes screamin’ at me. Nothing Obama (or Romney) has done addresses ANY of the real causes of the high cost of health care. But it is adding to it, and to our national debt, and to the loss of coverage as Neil’s post demonstrates.

        “Second, I am a citizen of the United States of America which gives me the absolute RIGHT to elect government officials to make laws that represent my demands.”

        Explain to me what is either Christian or American to make the demands you make, that others should be forced to be responsible for anything having to do with anyone else but themselves? THAT’S where my problem lies. With your foolish notion that Christ ever mandated that YOU force ME to pay for anyone’s way, as if that is somehow Christian OR American.

      • A good decision must have some relationship to good results.
        Let’s talk again in two decades, when we see the results. Until then your fear mongering is nothing more the speculation.

        NO ONE, except for those who backed Obamacare likes Obamacare. It’s just that simple.
        I’ll let your statement sink in for you… :-) That “except” you’re talking about, happens to be the majority.

        America’s form of gov’t is NOT supposed to include implementing proven failures and doing so in a manner that ignores the protests of OTHER elected representatives of the people, or to vote on a bill that hasn’t been read and fully understood by those who voted for it. Do you disagree?
        Yes I completely disagree.
        1. We’ve never had national health care so no it’s not implementing a proven failure. That assertion is nonsense.
        2. Our system of government allows all elected officials to be heard. Upon disagreement, there is a vote and majority wins. A vote was cast, and the majority won. What’s the problem?

        “Please tell me what comments have mine here have been rude, or disrespectful?”
        My pleasure. How ’bout this:
        “Summary = Money > Lives.” …implying that anyone on the right or within the insurance industry is basing their decisions thusly. Or how ’bout this:

        That’s not an implication. That’s a factual summary of the original paragraph. Read it. I made no correlation to the right or the the insurance industry. You completely fabricated that part.

        “MADNESS! What were they THINKING! I forgot that in America, we reject children! Who needs them anyway? It’s all about the profit!” …implying the same thing with the added bonus of causing the suffering of children. No. Such is not rude or disrespectful of anyone.
        Clearly you didn’t read or understand the sarcastic tone of the original article. A sarcastic response is not rude, especially if the sarcasm is in response to a sarcastic article. Unless sarcasm is a one way street…

        ” In fact Marshall, you’ve resorted to name calling by calling me a whiner.” But you are whining. That’s not “name calling” as in “Hey, Butthead!” It’s an accurate description of your commentary demonizing the health insurance industry.
        Saying someone is whining is pointing out a fact, calling someone a whiner is name calling. Your attempt to clean up your statment now resulted in abject failure. I may have been whining (heck I may even be a whiner), it doesn’t remove the fact that YOU have been the rude, and disrespect party in this conversation. You are extremely hostile to opposing opinions.

        I’ve reviewed my comments and haven’t seen a statement like this. I did say “Get a clue” however, which is not the same as saying you don’t have a life. Maybe you’ll give me that impression later. But the absence of a clue thing I’ll have to stand by for the time being.
        I stand corrected, you did not say “get a life” although “get a clue” is clearly a derogatory term towards the intelligence of anyone who has the audacity to disagree with Marshall on health care. Again you’re welcome to throw your salvo of insults, I won’t fire back. I’ve always understood insults to be a rhetorical tactic used cover shallow argumentation.

        You DON’T know the industry as I’ve alluded with my link to a piece that counters your assertions regarding their profit margins.
        I could say the same thing and hurl a slew of experts your way as well. For every expert you have I can through 10 experts with the opposing point of view. Ok so we’ve thrown experts at each other, now what? My solution is, we have opposing views (even though my viewpoint already won) let’s talk about the merits of each. Your solution is… “Conform to Marshall’s opinion or be buried in insults”.

        You DON’T know how insurance works by supporting policies that confound the industries ability to do what it set out to do: provide for protection against catastrophic events. It was NEVER meant to pay for your checkups or for bandaids on your boo-boo. The high costs are related to gov’t mandates forcing coverage of things the industry never had any intention of covering. (among other things not so unrelated)
        Here’s the bedrock foundation of our disagreement. I think the health and protection of our citizens (two sides of the same coin) should NEVER in the first place have been in the hands of private business. Much like the police force, the protection of our citizens should NEVER be in any hands other than the government. If it’s private business, it’s profit driven not people driven. Period. This is inescapable. I love private business (which is one of the reasons I mentioned earlier that I do have scathing remarks for Obama, he’s anti-business in many ways), but citizen health should never have been a private industry. We can’t rewrite history, but we can fix what we failed to start. I’m firmly capitalist, but understand the limitations of capitalism…it’s profit driven.

        My point is that I have yet to disagree with him and yet I have had comments not posted. Instead of assuming he was blocking me, I emailed my concern and found out that sometimes his blog provider’s software kicks some stuff into spam folders and he doesn’t always catch it. He apologized and retrieved and posted my comments.
        Well no wonder you got an apology and immediate restoration! I’m not surprised. Like I stated earlier, the comments section on that page are exclusively for the rabid fans. Did you receive a letter akin to, “My dearest friend Marshall, please forgive the oversight. As I was gleefully deleting all these dissenters, in my zeal I accidentally deleted the comment of an adoring fan. Once I triple checked your comment to make sure it *perfectly* aligned with my every word, I IMMEDIATELY restored it, and even commented that I agreed with your agreement with me! It shouldn’t happen again…” – Wintery

        “Despite the fact that you didn’t originally state your opinion in quite this manner,”
        You didn’t take time to understand. Your insult train had already left the station…

        “you are still dictating to a private company how they should run their business.”
        It’s called oversight, and any industry responsible for the very health of our nations citizens and ultimately the very fabric of our survival, and yet has the audacity to deny a 4-month old baby for being overweight…needs it.

        There is a misunderstanding that people have a right to be insured no matter what.
        As long as health care is privatized, you are correct it’s not a right. As soon as the government involved, it becomes a right. You know LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

        Insurance is something that is to deal with what MIGHT occur, not what is occuring already. Why can’t you understand this?
        I do understand this, and it’s the foundation of our disagreement. My point is that health care in the beginning is NEVER something that should have been “insured”. A nations very survival hinges on the health of its citizens. A government has a vested interest in ensuring and in fact ENFORCING efforts to ensure (not insure) the health and survival of its people.

        And how much would you say is a just amount for a premium to cover someone who will need tens of thousands of dollars of health care (if not hundreds of thousands or millions)?
        Dunno. Give me two decades worth of financial statements from all the big insurance companies, and about two years to study and I could probably give you a reasonable estimate.

        This is an issue that will also be an excuse to demonize the industry as they will certainly charge amounts that the poor (and most others) will see as exhorbitant. So who is this a strawman?
        It’s not demonizing to say that a “for profit” business prioritizes….profit. This is undisputed fact. Lives are secondary. Let me tell you a story about this 4-month old baby….

        I’m just an average guy who can see a bad idea when it comes screamin’ at me.
        Well you’d be an average guy disagreeing with the majority of the nation over the course of the past decade. See stats above whenever you ever doubt this.

        Nothing Obama (or Romney) has done addresses ANY of the real causes of the high cost of health care. But it is adding to it, and to our national debt, and to the loss of coverage as Neil’s post demonstrates.
        I agree. It’s gonna be costly (whenever and however we do it…it’s gonna be costly). This is because our nation didn’t do it right in the beginning, we reap what we sow.

        Explain to me what is either Christian or American to make the demands you make, that others should be forced to be responsible for anything having to do with anyone else but themselves?
        To your first point, it’s American because I have demands of my government, I demand it be run a certain way as do you. I vote for those officially who promise to fulfill my demands. Last I checked, that’s how it’s supposed to work. I certainly don’t vote for people who tell me they’re going to do the exact opposite of what I want. Do you? What part of this is unclear or unAmerican? To your second point I had to say, “Wow”. Just wow. It was such an incredibly selfish statement, I had to read if a few times to be sure I understood it correctly, I sometimes forget the depth of human selfishness. No wonder we disagree so strongly. When you understand and agree with the foundational principles taught by Jesus Christ which I hold so dear, and are expounded on by Paul and Christ’s disciples you’d understand my point of view. I could get into church history on how the early Christian communities were instructed (and did) care for one another, but that would be too long -or- I could provide you with a cornocopia of scripture that supports it, but I’ll leave it at two…

        Proverbs 29:7
        The righteous considers the cause of the poor, But the wicked does not understand such knowledge.

        1 John 3:17-18
        But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him? My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

        THAT’S where my problem lies. With your foolish notion that Christ ever mandated that YOU force ME to pay for anyone’s way, as if that is somehow Christian OR American.
        See above.

        Marshall, thanks for the conversation. I’ll bow out and let you have the last word, it’s clear you don’t want to have a discussion of the issues (at least on this topic), and are content to hurl insults and construct and knockdown strawmen. You’ve failed to take the time to listen or understand my position, which I you’d find it fairly reasonable if you’d take a moment to consider it objectively. If my disagreement with you has angered you, my apologies, it happens in the real world. Take care, and have a wonderful weekend!

      • Verbose. And whiny.

        Ex:

        “Well no wonder you got an apology and immediate restoration! I’m not surprised. Like I stated earlier, the comments section on that page are exclusively for the rabid fans. Did you receive a letter akin to, “My dearest friend Marshall, please forgive the oversight. As I was gleefully deleting all these dissenters, in my zeal I accidentally deleted the comment of an adoring fan. Once I triple checked your comment to make sure it *perfectly* aligned with my every word, I IMMEDIATELY restored it, and even commented that I agreed with your agreement with me! It shouldn’t happen again…” – Wintery”

        The verses quoted do nothing for your argument. If you are advocating charity, sure. Not publicly funded health care.

      • I don’t know why I’m so often accused of being or getting angry. I’m such a happy guy. Rest assured, I’ll state without timidity when I’m actually pissed off. But don’t hold your breath.

        In the meantime, since the response will be a thin and lengthy column, I’ll post my response below. But I will say here that I’ve done just a bit more than simply hurl insults and I haven’t erected one strawman that I can see. I think you’re doing a typical scamper by bowing out as if I’m unwilling to engage. Spine up, dude. Don’t take yourself, or blog discussions so freakin’ seriously.

      • Eldnar,

        Your comments are full of inconsistent logic and you completely missed the point of the original post: Whether you, with your covetous and judgmental attitude, think that insurance execs and company owners make too much wasn’t the point. The point was that these changes were completely foreseeable by anyone with some basic critical thinking skills. We knew things like this would happen and they did.

        Regarding your introduction of the Jesus card in the following comment, I’ll just point out the obvious: Asking Caesar to take from neighbor A by force to give to neighbor B is anything but charity. Oh, and remember that conservatives are much more generous givers. Just look at your heroes like Obama and how greedy they are with their own money — http://tinyurl.com/yzautg2 .

        When you understand and agree with the foundational principles taught by Jesus Christ which I hold so dear, and are expounded on by Paul and Christ’s disciples you’d understand my point of view. I could get into church history on how the early Christian communities were instructed (and did) care for one another, but that would be too long -or- I could provide you with a cornocopia of scripture that supports it, but I’ll leave it at two…

        Proverbs 29:7
        The righteous considers the cause of the poor, But the wicked does not understand such knowledge.

        1 John 3:17-18
        But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him? My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

      • Oh, and please stop pretending that Obama’s actions and political philosophy is Christ-like. The guy is the most pro-abortion freak of a politician ever, considering his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

      • Hi Neil,

        I hope you had a fantastic weekend. It’s 112 where I cam… =(

        Your comments are full of inconsistent logic and you completely missed the point of the original post
        My logic is solid, you saying it’s inconsistent doesn’t make it so. You need to demonstrate it, not simply assert it. I fully grasped the original post, I just disagreed with it. Money is not more important than lives. I will never say different.

        Whether you, with your covetous and judgmental attitude, think that insurance execs and company owners make too much wasn’t the point.
        Covetous and judgmental? Since when is objective, factual information covetous or judgmental? The executives are trying to maximize profits in a “for profit” business. This is fact. Do you disagree? They’re doing what they should be doing. I don’t blame them at all, I’m a capitalist.

        The point was that these changes were completely foreseeable by anyone with some basic critical thinking skills. We knew things like this would happen and they did.
        What changes were foreseeable? The only thing that was foreseeable was privatizing something as critical to a nations survival as healthcare would eventually cause conflicts between business profits and lives. Hence, the situation we find ourselves in.

        Regarding your introduction of the Jesus card in the following comment,
        Uh, I don’t “play a Jesus card”. Christ is the center of my life and my Lord, everything I have I owe to Him. He’s not some “card” to be played. If anything, I don’t introduce Him enough!

        I’ll just point out the obvious: Asking Caesar to take from neighbor A by force to give to neighbor B is anything but charity.
        Who said it’s about charity?

        Oh, and remember that conservatives are much more generous givers.
        I’ve never seen stats either way, but I’ll take your word for it, I have no reason to doubt you. Although, since I’m a conservative I guess I’d fall under that umbrella eh?

        Just look at your heroes like Obama and how greedy they are with their own money — http://tinyurl.com/yzautg2.
        Obama is far from my hero. Just because I don’t hate him (like you seem to) doesn’t mean he’s anything close to a hero. I have no doubt he’s as greedy as any other human being. My position that the government should be responsible for something as critical to it’s survival as the health of its citizens does not equal Obama being my hero. That doesn’t follow logically…

        Oh, and please stop pretending that Obama’s actions and political philosophy is Christ-like.
        WOW. This is the biggest straw man thus far. When have I *EVER* even remotely implied ANYTHING about Obama is Christ-like?

        The guy is the most pro-abortion freak of a politician ever, considering his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.
        You’ll find no argument from me here.

      • 112?! Wow, where are you? It is beautifully cool in Texas.

        Covetous and judgmental? Since when is objective, factual information covetous or judgmental?

        You are judging how others make and spend their money and you think they have too much.

        What changes were foreseeable?

        That people would act in their self-interests, just like the Dems do (and the Republicans). That was my point, and you missed it. Again. If you force insurers to offer fire insurance when people call and their house is on fire then they’ll drop that as well.

        Uh, I don’t “play a Jesus card”. Christ is the center of my life and my Lord, everything I have I owe to Him. He’s not some “card” to be played. If anything, I don’t introduce Him enough!

        I’m all for Jesus and appreciate your testimonial, but I think you are deliberately missing the point. You quoted the Bible as if those passages applied to this situation where you want the gov’t to take from one person to give to another. The burden of proof is on you to show how those verses teach that.

        Who said it’s about charity?

        You, when quote Bible verses like that!

      • You are assuming that any health care reform is good health care reform. That is not true. He could have had good health care reform: More flexible spending, transferring tax benefits from corporations to individuals, more competition, tort reform and more. Why didn’t he do that?

      • I certainly don’t think any health care reform is good health care reform. The current system is far from perfect, but…. we *finally* have a system (America has wanted it for years). Here’s the thing. NO SYSTEM WILL BE PERFECT, it can *always* be better. It’s impossible to satisfy everyone. But at the same time, we can’t be stuck in perpetual “analysis paralysis” by politicians making false promises and “thinking about it” for the next couple of decades. At some point we have to act. Obama said, “enough talk, I want it done.” and it’s done. It will cost Obama his presidency but the man did what he said he would do.

        Present and future congressional houses can fix and tweak it, but how can they fix something that doesn’t exist?

      • “At some point we have to act. Obama said, “enough talk, I want it done.” and it’s done. ”

        And we will pay the price for generations.

  2. Thanks Neil. Those Tea Bagger (Beck is a Coward) signers were hilarious. The Benny Hinn is sad. another bad spot on people’s view of Christianity but the good news is that we can’t get any worst. I mean – he was a TeleEvangelist. HELLO!!!!

  3. In the ensuing conversation about Benny Hinn’s divorce and affair with Paula White.
    MY wife: he’s the one that wears a white suit?
    Debby: Yes.
    Me: This is why my ministry has yet to take off. I don’t have a white suit.

    My wife: That’s a good thing. You would look like a big giant Pillsbury dough boy!

    Gee… thanks honey!

  4. Healthcare – the problem is not the goals of the new law but the enforcement. The same decisions now being made by insurance companies will instead be made by the government around coverage. But with one key difference. If I don’t like what one insurance company offers or it’s reputation for claim payout, I can shop around and select another. If I don’t like what the government decides…well tough. That is what I get. I will not be able to sue for redress like I can an insurance company today because the government always immunues itself from lawsuits. I just think we are going from the frying pan to the fire. I would rather fix the current system then implement this new givernment takeover of 1/3 of our economy. Because over time givernment programs do not get more efficient, they simply grow.

    Benny Hinn and Paula White – I am amazed at how many people attend “churches” that focus on growing a personal relationship with the pastor as defined by purchasing all the pastor offers rather than growing a personal relationship with God which costs nothing. Works will not save anyone.

    President Obama leaving out “Creator” – I believe once again this president drops American values for vaues he thinks the world will support. That is because it isn;t about how the world views America, it is about how the world views President Obama. I suspect the more often he does this, the less the world will respect him.

  5. Wow. I was certain that my wonderfully articulate response to Eldnar had posted, but alas, I now see that it did not. Bogus. Let’s try again:

    “Let’s talk again in two decades, when we see the results. Until then your fear mongering is nothing more the speculation”

    Why wait? We already have Romneycare that has failed and we have the Brits and pretty much every country that had some form of gov’t run health care by which to know how it will play out. In addition, we have the evidence of the subject of this post and other examples of insurers raising their rates in anticipation of the burdens with which Obamacare WILL encumber them, as well as businesses planning on dropping coverage rather than incur the hassles and expense of complying with Obamacare. I don’t need to monger fear. The plan itself does that.

    “I’ll let your statement sink in for you… That “except” you’re talking about, happens to be the majority.”

    It should sink in for YOU, as should stories such as the recent CBS poll that showed less than 35% approve of Obamacare, as well as the many polls showing a major drop in Obama’s approval ratings after its passage. My statement stands and stands firmly with the support of such evidence.

    “Yes I completely disagree.”

    You mean to say you believe America’s form of gov’t is supposed to include implementing proven failures and doing so in a manner that ignores the protests of OTHER elected representatives of the people (not to mention the people who took the time to investigate the details), or to vote on bills without reading or understanding them? Is that what you’re saying?

    “1. We’ve never had national health care so no it’s not implementing a proven failure.”

    We don’t need to have had it implemented nationally to know it’s a proven failure. It failed as Romneycare and it ain’t makin’ it in other countries. It’s either expensive, does not get the results our current system does or both. That’s not nonsense, it’s common sense.

    “That’s not an implication. That’s a factual summary of the original paragraph. Read it. I made no correlation to the right or the the insurance industry. You completely fabricated that part.”

    Your little equation suggests that someone (who, if not insurers or those supporting them against Obamacare, which are mostly rightwingers) feels that money is more important than human lives. You imply that because anyone might adjust according to the impact on the bottom line, that lives dont rank. That’s a nasty twist on reality. Even gov’t run health care MUST consider the bottom line. Would they be any less concerned about life in doing so? Costs must be considered, are considered by everyone, be they private or public and more lives will be at stake if costs are NOT taken into account.

    ” A sarcastic response is not rude, “

    Then you don’t understand sarcarsm. Sarcasm by its very nature is rude. Look up the word.

    ” Saying someone is whining is pointing out a fact, calling someone a whiner is name calling. Your attempt to clean up your statment now resulted in abject failure.”

    Oh, I wasn’t trying to clean up anything, but only giving clarification. I indeed called you a name (whiner), but it was appropriate based on your actions (whining). If you were caught stealing, calling you a thief wouldn’t be name calling as the term is usually understood. Calling you “Butthead” would be name calling. Labelling you based on your words and actions is simply accurately describing you.

    ” although “get a clue” is clearly a derogatory term towards the intelligence of anyone who has the audacity to disagree with Marshall on health care.”

    No. It’s a derogatory expression directed at someone who has no clue about the topic at hand. Whether you agree with me personally or not has nothing to do with it. Therefor, to suggest I hurl insults to cover a poor argument is a poor argument in itself to counter what you don’t understand.

    ” I could say the same thing and hurl a slew of experts your way as well.”

    Your position suggests you rely on crappy experts. I say this because they support a bill that doesn’t address legitimate causes for the high cost of health care. Your assertion that the profit margins are high backs up this notion. So go ahead, present an “expert” that can legitimately refute the link I gave showing profit margins. If my sources are wrong, I no longer want to use them. Help me out here.

    ” I think the health and protection of our citizens (two sides of the same coin) should NEVER in the first place have been in the hands of private business.”

    Health care should be in the hands of the individual. I prefer to handle my own and if I choose to pay premiums to a company willing to cover the expenses of some catastrophic illness or injury I may someday sustain, who the hell are YOU to deny me?

    Citizens’ health is dependent on food. Do you support the federal gov’t providing dinner? If health care is expensive, should not every individual’s life be somehow guided by this fact, just as it is with the expense of shelter or the expense of beer or the expense of travel or the expense of big screen HDTVs?

    You think that because we have the right to life that the gov’t should be involved with every aspect of our own health care decisions? This is stupidity. Take care of yourself. Do it in a manner that best serves you, but don’t dare think that you can impose on others for the costs of those decisions. That’s what you’re supporting. If I take care of myself, eat right, live right, avoid unnecessarily harmful exposures, my costs will be low. You would have me throw money of mine toward those who will not take those same responsible measures. That’s what gov’t run health care does and that’s what gov’t intervention into the inusrance industry has done to raise the costs of insurance and medical care. We already have laws against unethical practices and we have courts to decide if negligence or malpractice (real malpractice) occurs. We don’t need any more than that from the gov’t in our health care system or our health care decisions.

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