Another conversation with an athiest

I got some animated comments from an atheist last month on the Should we ban all religions? Gee, can’t think of any downsides to that plan post, so I thought I’d share my responses here.
Hi — thanks for visiting and commenting. I hope you feel better after that! You have been misinformed on many topics so out of kindness I am going to offer you some facts and logic to consider. I hope you weigh them carefully, as eternity is a mighty long time to be wrong.

haha, after reading this…the author sounds very scared of those ad campaigns! powerful and true stuff eh?? Made you worry that something like that might convince the majority of intelligent and critical thinking people what religion really is…a whole lot of crap made up by evil, twisted, deluded, desert nomads to brainwash and control people! and then where would your fairy tales be?? They really would be part of history!

If you studied history you’d know that there have been countless brilliant, critical thinking Christians, just as there are today.

If you used critical thinking skills yourself you’d know that your atheism gives you no grounding for morality, so any claims of something being evil or twisted would be meaningless opinions on your part.

I think Christianity will be the first religion to disappear (trust me 1 day in the future science will win the argument as science always evolves and changes with new evidence…religion only has 2000+ year old books to reference with very very outdated teachings and beliefs…flat earth etc.)

I see you bought into the flat earth myth. Please do some research and see who held that view, then read the Bible and note how the “desert nomads” knew it was round.

The Bible is not a science textbook, but any of your teachers ever point out how the Bible unequivocally states that the universe came into being at a point in time, just like science shows? Did they explain how the author of Genesis knew that there was a vast number of stars, unlike the ~1,100 that so many other ancient people thought?

Bad news for you: Since its inception, critics have been saying that Christianity will die. See Acts 6 (33 When they heard this, they were enraged and wanted to kill them. 34 But a Pharisee in the council named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in honor by all the people, stood up and gave orders to put the men outside for a little while. 35 And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you are about to do with these men. 36 For before these days Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37 After him Judas the Galilean rose up in the days of the census and drew away some of the people after him. He too perished, and all who followed him were scattered. 38 So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail; 39 but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!” So they took his advice, 40 and when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. 41 Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. 42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.)

They were wrong! Hundreds of years of intense persecution from the Roman Empire didn’t stop us, so neither will you.

they are fakes basically, pretend to believe in a God just so they fit in, especially all the American religious fanatics! Its all about money for those lot!

Yes, just as the Bible predicts many times, there are fake Christians. Hey, we agree!

Scarily the only religion i see surviving the longest (until they set off a nuke and end the world) is Islam!! Because most Muslims live in poor countries and struggle to survive everyday! and have nothing to make their lives worthwhile accept for religion and the promise that when they die they will have everything they didnt have in this life! ..if they do as their religion asks of them! Christianity is too mild nowadays! They don’t force people to believe and kill them if they dont believe anymore!

You have some valid points there. Islam started, spread and continues to this day because of violence. Christianity spread under persecution, and any violence done in Jesus’ name is done by people who disobey his teachings.

Also in your awful article, you mention only religious ppl do charity work…so if we could ban religion, would those same ppl then give up on charity work?? if so, what does that they about those ppl?? they only help because they are scared of god?? how pathetic and fake is that!

Some people might do good deeds because they are afraid of God, but Christianity teaches the opposite. No amount of good deeds will get you into Heaven. We do good things because we have been made spiritually alive by the Holy Spirit and out of gratitude and obedience to Jesus.

I think if we banned religion then those charity workers, if they are genuine ppl, would continue their great work! Also i have a few atheist friends who do lots of work for charity, 1 is in fact employed full time so your statements are false…also the real stats are that religious ppl have more divorces and commit more adultery than atheists! FACT!

People who attend church regularly and read the Bible are far less likely to get divorced. And have fun banning Islam. And you have no grounding to call any work “great.”

There is no evidence for Jesus either! You do know that the story of Jesus has been used in much older religions than Christianity? Oh wait a minute, they dont tell you that do they? lol! Just like those guys trying to sell a product, the people who MADE UP Christianity worked out what stories capture the peoples imagination and then play on that! They would have know about the STORY (as in fiction!!) of a character who is born of a virgin, 3 wise men, can do miracles, son of god and all the rest of it and all they did was change the name to a popular name of the day…Jesus and then…they had a new, updated version of a popular religious teaching in previous popular religions!

That is a common Internet meme spread by gullible people. Too bad you bought it. I addressed the copycat fallacy here.  If you just a little research you’ll find that you have been wildly misinformed. Then, if you are the critical thinker you claim to be, you’ll wonder what else they lied to you about.

Regarding facts of Jesus, you couldn’t be more mistaken. Even atheist historical scholars agree on something we refer to as the “minimal facts.”

Summary of the “minimal facts” approach: Nearly 100% of historical scholars from 1975 – present agree with the following statements:

  • Jesus really lived and was killed on a Roman cross.
  • Jesus’ disciples believed He appeared to them.
  • Jesus’ brother, James, went from being a pre-crucifixion skeptic to a post-crucifixion church leader.
  • The Apostle Paul believed Jesus appeared to him and he wrote most of the books attributed to him, including Romans, I & II Corinthians, Philemon and others. He converted from persecuting Christians to being the greatest evangelist ever, despite nearly constant challenges, persecution and ultimately dying for his faith.
  • 75% of the same scholars agree that the tomb was empty.

None of the alternative theories can be true in light of these facts. The physical resurrection of Jesus best accounts for these facts.

Also why do all you religious idiots believe things like…God appeared to some bloke 2000 years ago? Yet if someone said that nowadays..they would be locked up and sent to a mental hospital?? whats the difference? the difference is that back then, ppl believed ANYTHING!!! nowadays ppl would say prove it?? and of course that mentally ill person wouldnt be able to!

Please see the “minimal facts” information just mentioned. The more pertinent question is, “Why don’t fools like you believe there is a God?” The answer is in Romans 1:

Romans 1:18–20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Deep down you know there is a God but you suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

It always comes down to evidence! I am 100% willing to believe in a God or Gods IF God or science can prove it? If not then why would I believe something on pure faith??? Doesnt make any sense! religious ppl believe in religion because they want it to be true!!! nobody who is religious believes in religion due to evidence after not wanting to believe in it!

We have tons of evidence, but apparently your teachers and friends have hidden it from you. Your demand for science to prove it is fallacious, as you can’t even use science to prove you should only trust science. Also, you don’t use science, which addresses material things, to prove God, who is an immaterial being. That is some more logic for you ;-).

Oh, and without God as a foundation, you have no reason to explain why you should trust your reason. That’s another circular reference.

You also commit the fallacy of thinking we are anti-science. We love science. Look at the history of science and see all the Christians! It was their accurate belief that God was a God of order that led them to study how He made the universe.

Think about this…how many religious ppl look at the evidence and then say…i have to believe because of the evidence? ZERO!!! (for one its a sin to question your god so therefore you are not allowed to look for evidence!) and how many ppl turn from religion when they look at the evidence? MANY!!!

Actually, many people do, but you haven’t done much research. Check out this former atheist who wrote Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels.

I hope my kids or grand kids live in a world without religion as then all you would have is good people and bad people…you wouldnt have good people doing bad things in the name of religion and bad people! too much evil then!! Or the very least, religion is treated like santa or the easter bunny, as in everyone knows its made up but due to tradition celebrate it! and for those who are still brainwashed and have to believe in an old man, sitting on the clouds…let them believe as long as that doesnt affect anyone else and they dont do anything in the name of their religion!

Again, since you deny God out of your rebellion you have no grounding to call anything good or evil.

And here is one of your biggest problems: If your worldview is really true then your beloved “universe came into being from nothing, life came from non-life, Darwinian evolution did the rest” premise means that it caused all religions. Got that? Your macro-evolution would have been 100.000% responsible for my conversion from atheism to Christianity and my trust in the evidence for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. What else could it have been? Your macro-evolution would also be responsible for Islam and every other religion. So why are you so angry about it?!

All the best to you. I hope you are half as serious as you claim to be about wanting facts and logic. If you really seek God on his terms you will find him. But if you stay in your rebellion then you will spend an eternity in Hell paying for your sins.

2 thoughts on “Another conversation with an athiest

  1. This, and the abortion debate, is great homeschool material. I will be using it to show my children that without God there is no morality unless it is borrowed from those who believe in God. I hope to inoculate their minds against this kind of self-based thinking.

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