Here’s a conversation you don’t want to have.

Reading the entire New Testament or the entire Bible doesn’t automatically save you, but isn’t it a logical thing for Christians to progress towards?  You want to avoid this:

  • Non-Christian: So, you believe the Bible is the word of God and tells you all about your Savior and such?
  • You: Yes!
  • N-C: Have you read it all?
  • Y: Uh, not as such, no . . .
  • N-C: Not even all of the New Testament?
  • Y: Look – a squirrel!

Another thing to avoid: Talking about the importance of the 10 Commandments but not being able to name them.

I encourage everyone to read some of the Bible every day.  It doesn’t have to be a lot.  Just do it.  It will make you a better ambassador for Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

The “Christian” Left is far more extreme than the average pro-choice person

Always remember that forgiveness, hope and healing for anyone involved in the abortion process (or any other sin!) is available through Jesus.

The “Christian” Left’s official position on abortion is far more extreme than the average person identifying as pro-choice and they make all sorts of fallacious arguments to “prove” that Jesus doesn’t care about abortion.  They are loud and proud about justifying abortion for any reason up to the moment the child takes her first breath.  In their own words:

It really gets old when conservatives show up on this page and say we can’t be Christians because we advocate “killing babies.” First of all, fetuses aren’t “babies.” As the Bible states in many places fetuses become people when they draw their first breath. Secondly, abortion is a made up issue that’s never mentioned in the Bible.

First, fetuses are not babies.  But they are human beings (scientific fact!) and they are children.

Consider how many people who identify as pro-choice agree with pro-life positions on specific topics, then consider how radical the “Christian” Left’s / Democrats’ platform is (unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortions at any time, including “partial-birth abortions”/infanticide).

Pro-choice views (Gallup, 2011)
–Make abortion illegal in the 3rd trimester – 79%
–Make abortion illegal in the 2nd trimester – 52%
–Ban “partial-birth abortion” – 63%
–Require parental consent for minors – 60%
–Require 24 waiting period – 60%
The “Christian” Left and the rest of the Democrats, and the media who advance their cause, are the real extremists.

Here is a more thorough explanation of the “Christian” Left’s pro-abortion extremism and blasphemous claims that Jesus doesn’t care about it.  The title itself is a lie: The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being.  The Bible does no such thing!  And their view is completely anti-science.  Read carefully and note how they assume a hyper-literal reading of their proof-texts and that the words are precisely what God wanted to be said. Why do they only view the Bible as truly inspired by God when it supports their pro-abortion extremism?  This is pure Leopard Theology, where people claim that the Bible is only inspired in spots and that they are inspired to spot the spots.  And they just “happen” to like the spots that they think support their pro-abortion views.

Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being.

In a more accurate sense, that’s exactly what it means.  Human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc.  Same human being at different stages of development.

According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.

After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

Note how this example, as bad as it is, doesn’t come close to proving their claim that the fetus becomes a living human being at the first breath.  The text does not say that Adam was a fetus first!

More importantly, we all know there was nothing unique about his creation, right?  And they deny the implications of a literal Adam and Eve on all other issues, such as marriage, human sexuality, original sin and more. Oddly, they only pretend to believe that truth when justifying abortion and even infanticide (aka “partial-birth abortion”).

And they insist that the “Christian” view is that a baby could be 90% delivered and killed for any reason and it would be completely moral.  That’s ghoulish.

In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

Again, note how text doesn’t even prove their point even if you took it in a hyper-literal fashion.  It doesn’t say the human fetus was made alive at his first breath but that the breath of God gave him life.

And do they take the rest of Job literally?

Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones:   Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.   And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

Do they take this passage literally?  Of course not.  And again, note how even their hyper-literal reading doesn’t prove their point.  This doesn’t relate to human fetuses!

In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine;   it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being.   One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath.   This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either.   Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it;   the rest are aborted.=

They should know how thoroughly debunked this pro-abortion view of Exodus 21 is.  The short version is that the key word of the passage is sometimes not translated well and says “miscarriage” instead of “children come out.” And of course that’s their go-to translation!  It you study the original Hebrew it becomes very clear that Moses did not mean that if the child is killed that the penalty is less severe.  More here, with a listing of all the errors pro-aborts make with this passage.

God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester.   It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.

Ah, as if the “Christian” Left knows the mind of God!  I encourage those using the miscarriage argument to consider these distinctions:

A. Human being dies of natural causes (inside or outside the womb)

B. Human being is deliberately killed by a 3rd party (inside or outside the womb)

Miscarriages would be in category A and abortions are in category B. I think most people can see that they are significantly different.

Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets. For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written.

That’s a bizarre twist beyond the scope of this post, but for the record note that they seem to be saying that God never said not to kill.

There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath.

That is absurd.  There are countless verses supporting the humanity of the unborn, including John the Baptist’s reaction to the presence of Jesus while John was still in the womb.

Many cite the scripture Jeremiah 1:5, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” God is omnipotent. He has known all of us since before creation. This scripture is irrelevant as it pertains to when a fetus becomes a living being.

That ignores that God formed him in the womb!

The same reasoning applies to Psalm 139:13-14.

I encourage people to read Psalm 139 themselves and see if they draw the same conclusion.

Numbers 5 describes “the Lord” ordering an abortion. Many argue that this is a misinterpretation. It is clearly stated in verse 22, “May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

That’s an epic double-fail.  First, the “Christian” Left insists that the Bible makes no mention of abortion, then they insist that it does.  Then, they use a bad translation (see the theme?) to support it.  That passage doesn’t even say the woman was pregnant, yet pro-aborts use it to rationalize abortion! It shows how desperate they are — as if they actually cared about what the Book of Numbers said.  They are welcome to show me in the Book of Numbers where it says the woman is pregnant (not there). Then they could show where she has an abortion (not there). Then they could show where God taking a life means that we can also take lives in the another fashion for any reason, including those of our own children (not there).  More here.

Before extremists turned the issue of reproductive choice into a political football, views on this matter were weren’t nearly so drastic.  For some history. . .

That not only ignores the Hippocratic Oath (written by non-believers hundreds of years before Jesus and still followed until the mid-20th century when the “Christian” Left helped it be eliminated) and the early church, which was emphatically against abortion. And it ignores the Catholic religion, led by the “Christian” Left’s new BFF, Pope Francis, that unequivocally condemns abortion.  It even ignores that as late as 1964 Planned Parenthood was anti-abortion!  Please tell me more about history, “Christian” Left.

If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one.

Ugh.  What horrible logic.  If you don’t like slavery, don’t have slaves.  And so on.

When women don’t have personal choice over their own reproductive decisions they end up butchered in back alley abortions or thrown in jail for having a miscarriage.

Thrown in jail for miscarriages?  Yeah, that happened all the time pre-Roe v Wade /sarcasm.  Scare tactics much?

And “reproductive freedom/choice/justice/rights/health/etc.” are false, Orwellian, anti-scientific terms. They apply to birth control, not abortion, because abortion destroys a human being who has already been reproduced. That is a scientific fact confirmed by any mainstream embryology textbook and basic logic. It is a deadly and evil phrase. Yes, they have a right to reproduce, but no, they shouldn’t have the right to kill human beings who have already been reproduced.  Never let pro-aborts get away with using that phrase.

Certain types of birth control are outlawed when a fertilized egg is classified as a “person” as well.

Yes!  Because they kill human beings!

In the end, if abortion was such a grievous sin Jesus would have mentioned it.  He said nothing.

And of course, the fallacious argument from silence.  The argument that Jesus never said anything about abortion (or homosexual behavior, etc.) fails on many levels. If a church leader uses it you can be confident that he or she is ignorant and/or malicious. Short version: Yes, He did say something about it, but the theological Left ignores or distorts it as they do with many things about Jesus and his teachings.

Arguing from silence is a logical fallacy. Jesus is God and part of the Trinity that inspired all scripture. Note how Jesus defeats Darwinian evolution, oxymoronic “same-sex marriage” and same-sex parenting arguments in one simple passage. No true follower of him should disagree on any of those topics. Matthew 19:4–5 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?”  He supported the Old Testament law to the last letter. The “red letters” weren’t silent on these topics in the sense that they reiterated what marriage and murder were.  He emphasized many other important issues that these Leftist theologians completely ignore (Hell, his divinity, his exclusivity, etc.). He was equally “silent” on issues that these folks treat as having the utmost importance (capital punishment, war, welfare, universal health care, taxpayer-funded abortions, etc.). He didn’t specifically mention rape, child abuse, pedophilia, bestiality and other obvious sins though that wouldn’t justify them.  Abortion and homosexual behavior simply weren’t hot topics for 1st century Jews. They actually thought children were a blessing and they had laws against homosexual behavior. And the Gospels never claimed to include everything He said. John specifically notes that the whole world couldn’t hold it all! (John 21:25). And Jesus never said anything about the “sin” of criticizing abortion or homosexual behavior, so it must be OK!

So other than that, the argument from silence is really good.

“She heads for the clinic and she gets some static walkin’ through the doors;
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner, and they call her a whore;
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes;
‘Cause then you really might know what it’s like to have to choose.”

~ Erik Francis Schrody (Everlast), from the song, “What It’s Like.”

Ah, but to choose what?  Oh, to kill an unwanted human being.  Some choices should not be legal options — especially for those claiming the name of Christ.

So their claim that the Bible says that human beings aren’t really alive until the first breath fails on every count.  It shows their desperation and hypocrisy to pretend that they believe the Bible is the precise word of God when they think it supports their pro-abortion claims and then to mock and discredit that same word when they don’t like what it says. 

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Only the Molech-worshiping pro-abortion extremists of the “Christian” Left could post this without a hint of shame, hypocrisy or irony. They literally defend abortion until the first breath is taken outside the womb but pretend to care about children.

“Children” is an accurate description of the human beings killed by abortion.

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Exposing the “Christian” Left Facebook page

Be very skeptical of those claiming direct revelation from God, even if from a popular teacher like Beth Moore

It is bad enough that those with alleged direct revelations from God are usually saying something that is the opposite of the Bible (à la the United Church of Christ’s “God is still speaking;” campaign, as if God gives new revelations with Swiss watch clarity to those who mock what He said the first time!).  But it is also bad because it makes those not “receiving” the revelations feel like they aren’t real Christians, or at least not special Christians like Beth. Via Do Not Be Surprised…: Why Beth Moore and Not Me? The Danger of Claiming to Receive Direct Revelation:

When God speaks, He does so with authority. He issues no ‘lesser’ revelation. His words are full and final and they stand for eternity. This is why His Word is so precious. It is unchanging, and it is the sole authority for the Christian. In the Bible, God has revealed all that the Christian needs to know in matters pertaining to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3). In this Word, He has revealed to us His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is the Living Word (John 1:1) and He is the final Word (Heb 1:1–2).

Any claim that is made, then, that God continues to speak outside of His Word and deliver direct, personal revelation is one that must be considered with great seriousness. After all, if God always speaks with authority, then such revelations must be perceived to be as inspired as Scripture. Any private prophecy, voice, dream or vision that is claimed to be from God must find a place in the back of our Bibles and our Bible ‘reading plans’ must be extended to include these words. Mustn’t they?

For some, the Word of God as revealed in the 66 books of the Bible is not enough. These are those who find themselves on a constant quest for ‘more’. A deeper, more meaningful emotional experience coupled with an alleged ‘word from the Lord’ often offers precisely what the dissatisfied seeker desires. But what of the one who longs for such an experience, but does so in vain? What of the woman who finds herself in despair because ‘God’ is ‘speaking’ to her friend or favorite Bible teacher through divine nudges and dreams but is seemingly silent in her own situation? What are the dangers of claiming to be the recipient of direct, personal revelation from God?

Popular SBC Bible teacher Beth Moore is no novice when it comes to ‘hearing’ from God. In her book, The Beloved Disciple, she makes the following claim:

Beloved, I am convinced one of our severest needs is pure rest. Not only sleep, but refreshment and recreation. Recently God spoke to me about capturing what He and I are calling “Sabbath moments.” Like many of yours, my schedule right now is particularly tough, and I see no time in the near future for a number of days off. God spoke to my heart one Saturday morning while I was preparing for Sunday school: “My child, in between more intense rests, I want to teach you to take Sabbath moments.” I wasn’t certain what He meant. Just that morning God confirmed His desire for me to drive all the way to the other side of Houston to the medical center to visit a patient with brain cancer. I was very thankful for the privilege of visiting this patient, but I knew in advance it would be tough emotionally and far from restful.

Beth Moore, The Beloved Disciple, (B&H Publishing: 2003), 220.

In other places, Moore has claimed to have received a vision of the “church as Jesus sees it.” And when God once said to her, “I’m gonna tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down, and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it . . .” well, all Christians should have added those words to the back of their Bible.

It seems that people like Moore get a legitimate following, then start to imagine that they are getting special communications from God.  While that is possible, the burden of proof is on them.  And these “revelations” usually end up sounding Satanic, such as the Jesus Calling book by Sarah Young.

Read it all.  This comment from the post summed it up well:

We know the issues with direct revelation, but here is the part that made me saddest. After this interminable story ended, the ladies who were at the DVD study with me, sighed and glowed in appreciation for this unique relationship Moore has with God. One lady said sadly and wistfully, “I wish I had what she has.”

Properly understanding how God speaks to us is one of the most crucial lessons there is for wise and effective living.  And it isn’t that hard.  See Decision making and the will of God for an overview.

The “Christian” Left gets Sodom wrong — twice!

The “Christian” Left likes to ignore passages like Jude 7 and 2 Peter 2 and pretend that the “sin of Sodom” was just being inhospitable — as if God is in the habit of obliterating two cities because of bad manners.  They cherry-pick a passage in Ezekiel that they think proves their point.  They like the first verse but ignore the “abomination” reference in the second.

Ezekiel 16:49–50 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

But it gets worse.  As Jude 7 notes,  not only were their sins homosexual in nature (“unnatural desire”) but the punishment represented an eternal punishment, something the “Christian” Left explicitly denies.

Jude 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Also see 2 Peter 2:6–10:

. . .if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones . . .

Once again they seem incapable of getting even the simplest concepts right.  Even when the twist scripture to prove or ignore a point, they don’t realize the logical consequences of their arguments.  I pray that when they are abusing the Bible that God removes the scales from their eyes and opens their hearts and minds to the truth of his word.

 

Responding to the pro-abortion “Christian” Left

Everything you need to respond to the “Christian” Left pro-abortion arguments

The “Christian” Left, which mocks the Bible every chance they get and denies its inspiration, gets all scriptural when they think they can twist it to justify something they love, like abortion.

The pro-abortion extremist ghouls at the “Christian” Left post articles like this to pretend that abortions are acceptable at any time for any reason until the first breath is taken. So they support infanticide (aka “partial-birth abortion”) even though most pro-choicers aren’t even that extreme!

Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being.

That’s not what all those pesky embryology textbooks say. Then again, why would I expect anti-science religious zealots like the “Christian” Left to understand science?

And their exegesis is not only horrifically wrong but hypocritical.

According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath. After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

So they take the rather unique creation of the first man and assume that is normative for the billions of people made since? Satan will do anything to rationalize child-killing in the womb, including have his followers say stupid things like that.

And remember, this is the Bible-mocking “Christian” Left saying this. Since when do they believe in a literal Adam? Since never! They are taking text they don’t believe and twisting it to rationalize abortion. Because that’s the kind of things fake Christians do.

Let’s look at one of their most ridiculous statements:

There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken a breath.

Hmmm . . . I guess they’ve never read Luke 1:41.

And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

These moral freaks would have supported an abortion for John the Baptist, Jesus, or anyone else, ever.

Then they trot out their fallacious reading on Exodus 21 to support unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortions.

When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. (Exodus 21:22–25, ESV)

The short version is that the key word of the passage is often not translated well and says “miscarriage” instead of “children come out.” It you study the original Hebrew it becomes very clear that Moses did not mean that if the child is killed that the penalty is less severe.

More here, with a listing of all the errors pro-aborts make with this passage.

Then they go to Numbers 5, even though the passage doesn’t even say the woman was pregnant.  It shows how desperate they are — as if they actually cared about what the Book of Numbers said.  They are welcome to show me in the Book of Numbers where it says the woman is pregnant (not there). Then they could show where she has an abortion (not there). Then they could show where God taking a life means that we can also take lives in the another fashion for any reason, including those of our own children (not there).  More here.

These wolves in sheep’s clothing don’t even believe all of the Gospels, let alone the rest of the New Testament, but they want you to believe that they take Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, etc. literally.  I’m skeptical.

If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one.

Of course they work in that deadly and fallacious sound bite.  That’s like saying, “Don’t like slavery?  Don’t have a slave!  Don’t like murder outside the womb?  Don’t murder anyone!”  And so on.

But don’t judge others who may be in terrible circumstances that you can’t possibly understand.

Abortion conditions may be psychologically complex, but they aren’t morally complex.  They wouldn’t justify killing a toddler, so why do they justify killing the same person in the womb?

When women don’t have personal choice over their own reproductive decisions they end up butchered in back alley abortions or thrown in jail for having a miscarriage.

They use the fallacious “reproductive decisions” language.  “Reproductive decisions/freedom/choice/rights/health/etc.” are false, Orwellian, anti-scientific terms. They apply to birth control, not abortion, because abortion destroys a human being who has already been reproduced. That is a scientific fact confirmed by any mainstream embryology textbook and basic logic. It is a deadly and evil phrase. Yes, they have a right to reproduce, but no, they shouldn’t have the right to kill human beings who have already been reproduced.  Never let pro-aborts get away with using that phrase.

And the scare tactics about back-alley abortions are illegitimate.  Remember that these were the people supporting the media embargo on Kermit Gosnell.  They do not care about women getting hurt as they are killing their children.

And their “thrown in jail for a miscarriage” bit is ridiculous.  Because that happened all the time pre-Roe v Wade, right?  More scare tactics.

Certain types of birth control are outlawed when a fertilized egg is classified as a “person” as well.

Good! Because we are human persons from conception.

Those who say, “If you’re a Christian, you have to be against abortion, and therefore you must vote republican,” are simply reciting talking points from false teachers.

That’s so amusing when people like Mark “Jesus is not my God” Sandlin and Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie call other people false teachers.

In the end, if abortion was such a grievous sin Jesus would have mentioned it.  He said nothing.

It wouldn’t be a “Christian” Left pro-abortion piece without the argument from silence.  The argument that Jesus never said anything about abortion (or homosexual behavior, gay-bashing, pedophilia, etc.) fails on many levels. If a church leader uses it you can be confident that he or she is ignorant and/or malicious.  Short version: Yes, He did say something about it, but the theological Left ignores or distorts it as they do with many things about Jesus and his teachings.

Medium version
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Arguing from silence is a logical fallacy.

Jesus is God and part of the Trinity that inspired all scripture.

Note how Jesus defeats Darwinian evolution, oxymoronic “same-sex marriage” and same-sex parenting arguments in one simple passage. No true follower of him should disagree on any of those topics. Matthew 19:4–5 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?”

He supported the Old Testament law to the last letter.

The “red letters” weren’t silent on these topics in the sense that they reiterated what marriage and murder were.

He emphasized many other important issues that these Leftist theologians completely ignore (Hell, his divinity, his exclusivity, etc.).

He was equally “silent” on issues that these folks treat as having the utmost importance (capital punishment, war, welfare, universal health care, taxpayer-funded abortions, etc.).

He didn’t specifically mention rape, child abuse, pedophilia, bestiality and other obvious sins though that wouldn’t justify them.

Abortion and homosexual behavior simply weren’t hot topics for 1st century Jews. They actually thought children were a blessing and they had laws against homosexual behavior.

And the Gospels never claimed to include everything He said. John specifically notes that the whole world couldn’t hold it all! (John 21:25).

And Jesus never said anything about the “sin” of criticizing abortion or homosexual behavior, so it must be OK!

Long version.

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Do not follow the “Christian” Left.  They mock the essentials of the faith at every turn and they promote a culture of death and sexual immorality.  They will twist scripture, use fallacious fear tactics, lie and anything else they have to do to justify their views.  They note on their website that they “speak for those with no voice,” but they are hypocritical pro-abortion extremists.  They don’t love God or their neighbors in the womb.

Churchgoers who support “same-sex marriage” and abortion have nearly identical views to the world. It shows who their real father is.

1 John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

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And here’s an analysis of one of their Facebook posts:

They get so unhinged when cheer leading for abortion.  It is ghoulish.  They are like the blind men of Sodom, groping for the door after they lost their sight.

Conservative “Christian” fundamentalists honestly believe in their own minds that the end to any political debate with a Christian progressive, no matter the issue, is “Oh yeah!? Well you guys advocate killing babies!” After they make that pronouncement it’s all over for them.

So they start with a straw-man argument, as usual — as if they really know the minds of believers. We don’t think our proper views on abortion ends every debate. It is merely one of countless things they get wrong. They could have said the same thing about us thinking it is “all over” when they deny the deity of Christ, or deny that Jesus is the only way to salvation, or when they mock the Bible, or when they ask Caesar to redistribute wealth and call it charity on their part, and so on.

A fetus isn’t a person. It’s a fetus. It becomes a person when it’s BORN! Dah! People don’t celebrate their Conception Day. They celebrate their BIRTHday. People don’t buy LIFE Insurance for a fetus.

And that’s the kind of pro-abortion reasoning you get from the anti-science “Christian” Left. It is a scientific fact and basic common sense (what else would two human beings produce?) that a new human being is reproduced at fertilization. Seriously, go check out any mainstream embryology textbook. I’m too pro-science to be pro-choice. Based on the settled science, it is then simple moral reasoning that it is wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without proper justification, and that is what happens during 99% of abortions.

Note how their pro-abortion reasoning supports infanticide (aka “partial-birth abortion”). What they leave out in their anti-science screed is that the fetus is a human being. Human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc. Same human being at different stages of development. Always made in the image of God and worthy of protection.

I’m almost embarrassed for them because of the silly examples they use to deny the personhood of the unborn. The size, level of development, location and degree of dependency do not dictate whether humans are persons.  Using their logic, since most people don’t buy life insurance for infants then it is OK to kill them, too.

Worse yet for the “Christian” Left: The laws of 2/3 our states consider the unborn persons — except when mommy is paying for the killing.

Abortion is a made up issue that isn’t in the Bible.

Oh, the argument from silence! It wouldn’t be a pro-abortion cheer leading session without that. Using their logic, child abuse, wife-beating, gay-bashing, and more are OK because they are specifically in the Bible.

But wait, it gets worse for them.  Remember, they insist that abortion is OK because of how they (mis-)interpret Numbers 5.  So they say it is in the Bible when they want to advance their pro-abortion cause but deny it is there when we note it is simply another form of murder.

This issue was created in the early 80’s as a political ploy to deceive Christians to think they had to vote republican.

Yeah, the Hippocratic Oath was written in the early 80’s as a political ploy. No, wait, that’s not right — it was written hundreds of years B.C. and said, “Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.”

Even Planned Parenthood, part of the vast right-wing conspiracy was anti-abortion in the 60’s (then they figured out how profitable it was).

And early church fathers and those throughout the century were strongly anti-abortion.  Here are a few quotes from early church leaders on abortion. I’m sure the pacifists quote these left and right in their pro-life efforts:

And when we say that those women who use drugs to bring on abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God for the abortion, on what principle should we commit murder? For it does not belong to the same person to regard the very foetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God’s care, and when it has passed into life, to kill it . . . Athenagoras of Athens, circa 180 A.D. from A Plea For The Christians

You shall love your neighbor more than your own life. You shall not slay a child by abortion. You shall not kill that which has already been generated. (Epistle of Barnabas 19.5; second century)

Do not murder a child by abortion or kill a new-born infant. (The Didache 2.2; second century catechism for young Christian converts)

It does not matter whether you take away a life that is born, or destroy one that is coming to the birth. In both instances, the destruction is murder. (Tertullian, Apology, 9.4; second century)

Those who give abortifacients for the destruction of a child conceived in the womb are murderers themselves, along with those receiving the poisons. (Basil the Great, Canons, 188.2; fourth century)

Jerome called abortion “the murder of an unborn child” (Letter to Eustochium, 22.13; fourth century).

Augustine used the same phrase, warning against the terrible crime of “the murder of an unborn child” (On Marriage, 1.17.15; fourth century).

The early church fathers Origen, Cyprian and Chrysostom likewise condemned abortion as the killing of a child.

And even the “Christian” Left new BFF, Pope Francis, leads a religious organization that has always been anti-abortion.

What shameless liars the “Christian” Left are!  They have lots of bad reasons to be pro-abortion, but their “Republicans made it up in the 80’s” lie is the worst of all.  But that’s no surprise, given that their leader is the father of lies.

A whole lot of needless human suffering has been propagated as a result of that lie.

Oh, the morbid irony of them pretending to care about human suffer when they champion this and this.

The republican platform is an Ayn Rand selfish, self-centered, renounce your neighbor ideology. It is the antithesis of everything Jesus taught. Thank God people are finally waking up to this fact as well.

What a perfectly ironic and amusing close for their screed.  Ayn Rand was pro-abortion, just like them!

With respect to her pro-abortion views, she was indeed the antithesis of everything Jesus taught — just like they are!

Catholics treat Mary as if she is the Holy Spirit

And that is a huge error.

I am used to seeing Catholics use arguments for praying to Mary and other “saints” to ask them to pray to God for us.  I think those are un-biblical and anti-biblical for many reasons.  But a friend put a meme on my Facebook page with this that had an even more obvious error:

POPE JOHN PAUL II’S PRAYER TO OUR LADY OF LOURDES
( This prayer was said during the Holy Father’s August 15, 2004 visit to Lourdes, France. The Pope asked her among other things to “be our guide along the paths of the world.”)

Hail Mary, poor and humble Woman, Blessed by the Most High! Virgin of hope, dawn of a new era, We join in your song of praise, to celebrate the Lord’s mercy, to proclaim the coming of the Kingdom and the full liberation of humanity.

Hail Mary, lowly handmaid of the Lord, Glorious Mother of Christ! Faithful Virgin, holy dwelling-place of the Word, Teach us to persevere in listening to the Word, and to be docile to the voice of the Spirit, attentive to his promptings in the depths of our conscience and to his manifestations in the events of history.

Hail Mary, Woman of sorrows, Mother of the living! Virgin spouse beneath the Cross, the new Eve, Be our guide along the paths of the world. Teach us to experience and to spread the love of Christ, to stand with you before the innumerable crosses on which your Son is still crucified.

Hail Mary, woman of faith, First of the disciples! Virgin Mother of the Church, help us always to account for the hope that is in us, with trust in human goodness and the Father’s love. Teach us to build up the world beginning from within: in the depths of silence and prayer, in the joy of fraternal love, in the unique fruitfulness of the Cross.

Holy Mary, Mother of believers, Our Lady of Lourdes, pray for us. Amen.

Carefully note these phrases: “Teach us . . .Be our guide . . .help us . . .Teach us . . . ” These are all roles of the Holy Spirit, not Mary. This prayer is blasphemous and an indictment of the Mariolatry of the Roman Catholic Church.  Their other arguments for praying to the dead can be thoroughly refuted as well (see Satan knows where your lost keys are), but this prayer by a Pope alone shows how wrong they are on this topic.

If you ascribe any roles of the Trinity to anyone other the Father, Son or Holy Spirit, it is un-Christian.

P.S. As Neil Kirkland noted in the comments, Muslims make a similar error with Mary, thinking she is part of the Trinity instead of the Holy Spirit.

The Case for Idolatry and more . . .

This has gotten some well-deserved attention for showing how to use pro-LGBTQX reasoning to justify idolatry (as a parody, of course).  Via The Case for Idolatry: Why Evangelical Christians Can Worship Idols | Blog | Think Theology.  You may want to read it all.

[I really hope it’s obvious that this is a parody, but if not: it is.]

For as long as I can remember, I’ve wanted to worship idols. It’s not that my parents raised me that way, because they didn’t; I was brought up in a loving, secure, Christian home. But from childhood until today, my heart has been drawn to idolatry. In fact, if I’m honest, one of the defining features of my identity has been my desire to put something else – popularity, money, influence, sex, success – in place of God.

I did something similar years ago, though not as well written or publicized, where I took a look at 1 Corinthians 5 via a pro-gay theology lens.  As you’d expect, it made no sense.  The pro-gay theology arguments are fallacious but tempting for those with itching ears to believe.

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People who hold to pro-gay theology* (i.e., God doesn’t consider it a sin and that he approves of “same-sex marriage”) use all sorts of fallacious arguments to make their case.  In this post I am taking the pro-gay theological reasoning out for a test drive, so to speak, to see how it applies to other passages.  After all, if their principles are sound they should work in other situations as well.

You may be familiar with Leviticus 18:22 (Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable) and some of the improper interpretations of it. But I wondered how their reasoning would apply to a verse in the same passage, such as Leviticus 18:8 –Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father. After all, the context of Leviticus 18 is abundantly clear because it starts and ends with the same admonitions: Don’t be like the pagan Canaanites and do the detestable things listed in the middle of the text, or you will be vomited out of the land like they were.  These were obviously not ceremonial laws just for the Israelites.

You can use any verse from Leviticus 18 to make the same points (bestiality, child sacrifice, etc.).  I chose this one because it happened to be addressed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 5.  Especially note how Paul chides the Corinthians for being proud and boastful about this a man sleeping with his father’s wife.  Read it once, then read it again and replace the descriptions of incest with homosexual behavior.  That is how I view the pro-gay theology community (especially the heterosexuals): Proud and boastful for ignoring God’s Word.

1 Corinthians 5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

Now let’s apply the various lines of pro-gay theological reasoning to Leviticus 18:8 and 1 Corinthians 5 and see how well they work. I realize that not all pro-gay theologians hold all these views.  I tried to convey their reasoning as accurately as possible.  Using their logic, we could conclude that:

  • Even if it is a sin, we are being so inclusive by keeping him as a member!  Look at us, being open-minded and tolerant!
  • Jesus didn’t specifically say not to have sexual relations with your father’s wife, so it couldn’t have been very important and probably wasn’t even a sin (the argument from silence).  We should err on the side of saying it isn’t a sin.  We ignore the fact that Jesus, as God, authored the Old Testament and that He fully supported it.
  • The man was born that way (i.e., with the desire to have sex with females).  It was his natural desire and function.
  • He and his father’s wife love each other!  Who are you to say that is wrong?  Gene Robinson, a Bishop in the Episcopal church, left his wife and kids so he could be with his gay lover.  Pro-gay theologians usually affirm and applaud this behavior.  Living up to marriage commitments made before God isn’t nearly as important as indulging your sexual preferences.
  • How do you know he and his father’s wife didn’t pray about it?  Maybe God gave them a personal revelation permitting them to have sex and/or get married.  That would make it acceptable.
  • Maybe the couple says that Jesus told them it was OK.  Who are you to argue with Jesus?
  • Leviticus 18:8 was a ceremonial law.  It was only for the Jews.  It obviously doesn’t apply to Gentiles.  If you eat shellfish then you obviously are a hypocrite if you don’t condone incest.
  • The Bible never actually uses the word incest.
  • There are only a few verses saying not to have sexual relations with your father’s wife [probably less than there are describing homosexual behavior as sinful].Therefore, how can we be sure about it?  And they are kinda obscure as well.
  • The man or the father’s wife was a temple prostitute or this was part of some pagan temple worship, and that is what made it wrong [even though the text doesn’t even hint at that].
  • Paul was an ignorant prude.  He didn’t understand sexual behavior or have the advantage of all the knowledge we do.  [This assumes that the Holy Spirit wasn’t inspiring his writings, of course].
  • You are just using the “ick” factor and saying “Eeewww” because a man having sex with his father’s wife seems gross to you.  There is really nothing wrong with it, though – you were just made differently.
  • Judge not, lest ye be judged.  Paul must be sinning here because he is clearly making moral judgments.  [Please ignore the fact that I’m judging Paul for judging and that I’ve taken Matthew 7:1-5 out of context].
  • You are just an incest-o-phobe.  You need therapy for your irrational hatred.  In fact, speech like that should be prohibited because it will incite violence against those who practice incest.
  • You just don’t love the man and his father’s wife!  If you did, you’d want them to be happy.  Hater!  Hate speech!
  • Other parts of the Bible portray God acting in ways that don’t appear to be in line with his moral laws, so they obviously aren’t really from him.  Therefore, Leviticus 18:8 may not be his Word either.  When in doubt, we should ignore Scripture, because God’s revelation to my heart trumps anything in the Bible.
  • Some parts of the Bible aren’t clear to us [even though this part is] so we can ignore it.

If that sounds like an unsound line of reasoning that’s because it is an unsound line of reasoning. These principles don’t work on the passages they are designed to dismiss, and they completely self-destruct when applied to other passages.  Pro-gay theology is flawed, sinful and destructive and should be abandoned by any Christians who hold those views.

Once again, note that:

  • 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior denounce it as sin in the strongest possible terms.
  • 100% of the verses referencing God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
  • 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
  • 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions.

Remember, if homosexual behavior is a sin – and the Bible clearly identifies it as such – then affirming and encouraging that behavior is also a sin and providing the orthodox Biblical view is the loving thing to do.  God is perfectly holy, but He is also perfectly gracious and merciful and will forgive those who repent and believe in Jesus.  Hear the Good News:

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Comments are welcome, but please stick to the topic.  We aren’t debating secular views, we aren’t demonizing anyone (pro-gay or orthodox) and we don’t need straw-man arguments (“You just don’t love them,” etc.).

Love LGBTQ people, be friends with them and pray for them.  If they need to develop a friendship with you so they can see what normal relationships should look like, then do so.  But don’t encourage them to participate in sinful behavior.  If you do, then you are loving yourself, not them.

And remember, God catches his fish and then He cleans them.  You don’t have to convert their sexuality before sharing the Good News that God adopts, completely forgives and eternally blesses everyone who repents and trusts in Jesus.

* There are the three commons ways pro-gay theologians make errors, namely by believing that:

  1. The Bible is either not the Word of God, or most parts of it aren’t.
  2. The Bible is the Word of God, but it doesn’t really say homosexual behavior is wrong.
  3. The Bible is the Word of God and does clearly and emphatically describe gay behavior as sinful.  However, the Holy Spirit has given additional revelations such that this behavior is now acceptable and the “new” sin is saying that homosexual behavior is sinful.

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The Pyromaniacs make some great points on this passage as well.