Muslims, atheists and the “Christian” Left agree!

They agree on lots.  Among other things, they insist that:

  1. Jesus is not divine
  2. Jesus is not the only way to salvation
  3. The Bible is not the word of God

Here is where they differ: The first two have beliefs consistent with what they call themselves.  The third lie for a living.  Poster boys of the the “Christian” Left: Mark “Jesus is not my God” Sandlin and Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie, and Jim “the Gospel is all about wealth redistribution” Wallis.

Run, don’t walk, from false teachers who deny the essentials of the faith.  Anyone who follows people like that is obviously making a god in his own image.

A superb use of the “trot out the toddler” argument

One of the best ways to respond to almost an pro-abortion argument is to “trot out the toddler.” Via Stand to Reason:

Many of pro-choice arguments would be unthinkable if applied to a toddler.  It’s a good tactic to “trot out the toddler.”  Show the absurdity of the argument by showing what it would mean if applied to a toddler.  It refocuses the argument on the one question that matters:  What is the unborn?

This is a perfect example used by the mother of a Down Syndrome child when a cashier suggested that she should have aborted the boy.  Via Sometimes I Forget…. .

Like the cashier that gave me sad eyes and spit poison in a whisper,

“I bet you wish you had known before he came out. You know they have a test for that now…”

Shock, horror, hurt and fury coursed through my body. I considered jerking her over the register and beating her senseless. I looked her up and down, I could take her….

Instead I used whit: I smiled a crazy lady smile “I know right?! It’s so much harder to get rid of them once they come out. Believe ME I’ve tried…” Jackpot! Her mouth dropped open and she stared at me in shock. I leaned over the register and whispered to her,

“What you’re saying is that it’s okay for me to kill him while he’s inside, but not outside? In my book there isn’t a difference. For the record, we knew EVERYTHING about him during my pregnancy. He is our son now and he was our son then. There is no way in hell that I would let any harm come to either of my children. Including during the time that they’re so ridiculously considered disposable.

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Responding to the Left’s “care” for the homeless

I’m all for finding practical solutions to homelessness and we are long-time contributors to a local Christ-based shelter.  But when the “Christian” Left is busy “caring” about the homeless with other people’s money, be sure to ask a few questions:

1. Are you willing to house them yourselves?  If not, you don’t really care about them.  That’s the homeless version of their fallacious pro-abortion argument claiming that we don’t care about the children after they are born.  We do care, of course, and do a lot with our own time and money.  And we would obviously protest infanticide and toddler-cide just as much as we oppose killing children in the womb.

2. I thought you liked government micro-managing our lives with soda sizes, making people pay for others’ birth control, etc.  Why pull up the drawbridge now?  Have you considered that there are downsides to to giving the government that much power?

3. Have you ever studied the issue carefully enough to realize that if you make it too easy to be homeless that you remove incentives for them to change?  Go talk to them yourselves!

One pro-abortion meme, so much bad logic

This meme shared by the the “Christian” Left was a spectacular fail.

(Heads up: trolls, concern trolls and contrarians will be “invited” to leave the page. We’ve seen it and heard it before — and we’re simply not buying it.)
Agree? Then spread the message around and sign the boycott for birth control: http://actionsprout.io/597AC1

Photo: Agree? Then spread the message around and sign the boycott for birth control:  http://actionsprout.io/597AC1

1. The “Christian” Left has to swear in their memes? Another meme today said, “Shut the f*ck up” and only commenter out of 30 had complained. Classy. Then again, they refuse to have any limits on child-killing in the womb, so what would you expect?

2. They use the same question-begging fallacy as most pro-abortion arguments, where they ignore the human being killed in the abortion. What about her choice?
Why are they anti-choice for the woman to own a gun whenever she likes, choose where her kids go to school, choose what size soda to drink, choose what the kids each for lunch (if they are allowed outside the womb), etc.?

3. The “Christian” Left is most certainly pro-abortion. Words mean things. Democrats are officially pro-abortion, not pro-choice. Why? Because they want taxpayer-funded abortions, laws requiring all health care plans to cover abortions, and no restrictions on anything, including “partial-birth abortion” (aka infanticide), late term abortions, gender-selection abortions, parental notification, etc.

From their platform (http://www.democrats.org/democratic-national-platform ): “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”

4. It was cute how they pre-empted discussion as well. They are so open minded and tolerant!

5. They just got through quoting this verse, then they ignore it! What about the interests of the unborn?

Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Philippians 2:4 (ESV)

They also reflexively quote verses about the “least of these” and loving your “neighbor,” while ignoring that abortion destroys both of those.

The Molech-worshipers will always be pro-abortion.

6. They claim to be pro-choice because it is none of their “da*n” business, but they simultaneous want to force employers and taxpayers to pay for abortions. See any “choice” contradiction there? Worse yet, they link to a boycott page that is mad that companies like Hobby Lobby “only” offer 16 forms of birth control. You see, they don’t offer the human being-killing kind, so that makes the “Christian” Left sad.

And of course abortion kills human beings who have already been reproduced, so birth control is another topic.

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Pro-life reasoning is simple and accurate: It is a scientific fact and basic common sense (what else would two human beings produce?) that a new human being is reproduced at fertilization. Seriously, go check out any mainstream embryology textbook. I’m too pro-science to be pro-choice. Based on the settled science, it is then simple moral reasoning that it is wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without proper justification, and that is what happens during 99% of abortions.

The situations surrounding abortions are psychologically complex (pressures on the mother to abort, economic concerns, etc.) but morally simple (you don’t kill unwanted humans outside the womb for those reasons, so you shouldn’t kill them inside the womb for those reasons). Their size, level of development, location and degree of dependency are not reasons to ignore their right to life. Arguments about “bodily autonomy” ignore the body destroyed in the abortion.

In other words, it is wrong to take the life of an innocent human being without proper justification. Abortion does that. Therefore, abortion is wrong.

The “Christian” Left believes Jesus is God! Except when they don’t! Which is all the time!

Please see the Exposing the The “Christian” Left for more like this!

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The self-parody of the “Christian” Left continues.  I wrote about them last week in The self-parody of the “Christian” Left (are you picking up on the theme?).  Then, to defend themselves, they posted this on their Facebook page, insisting that they accepted the divinity of Jesus.

Some of our fundie critics like to accuse us of denying the divinity of Christ. We can’t figure out if they’re purposely lying or just misled. We do no such thing. No one understands the Trinity. No one. We do not deny the divinity of Christ. In the past we’ve posted articles that attempt to analyze which aspects of Jesus were true man and which aspects were true God. Apparently the fundies freaked out about that. That’s generally what happens when they are forced to think outside their template.

Now how could we have possibly drawn the conclusion that they don’t think Jesus is God.  Maybe — just maybe! — it is because one of their leaders, Mark Sandlin, wrote this: Jesus Is Not My God.

I am a believer. Mostly.

I believe that there is probably a god — something bigger than us. I have a very hard time believing that there’s not something larger than humanity.

I mean, seriously? We are the best the universe has to offer? At least, as far as we know? That seems a bit egotistical to me, not to mention a bit unfortunate for the Universe. Ultimately, I don’t buy it.

I also believe there might not be a god — or, at the very least, I frequently feel the absence of God.

Even King David, felt the absence of God. It’s all over the Psalms. I really don’t feel that bad about doubting. I feel like it’s normal.

That’s why I think of myself as an agnostic Christian. I believe there is a God. I also accept that there might not be.

“I believe; help me in my disbelief.”

When I worship, I worship that God who is all-at-once bigger than me and might not be at all.

It’s the same god I believe Jesus was trying to teach us about.

. . .

For me, Jesus not being God is a good thing – a very good thing.

 

He also has a post called, “No Trinity for me.”  So, yeah, I think it is fair to say they deny the divinity of Jesus.  I was not lying or misled.  I was quoting them directly.  I’m sure I’ll get an apology message shortly . . .

Same goes for their denial that Jesus is the only way to salvation.  Their other leader, false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie, preaches entire sermons on why Jesus is not the only way to salvation.

There is a reason they don’t let Christians post on their page.  It is too easy to expose them, just by quoting the titles of their posts!

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Bonus: The comment below from uber-commenter Danny got him banned from the “Christian” Left Facebook site.  Note that they didn’t delete a comment last week that said, “Take your Bible verses and shove them up your ass.  Any guesses as to why I put quotes around “Christian” when I refer to the “Christian” Left?

Dear friends. Something is wrong with this world. This site says that the problem is right wingers. But government cannot fix what is wrong. The problem with this world is sin. If there were no sin, this site, nor political parties, nor right or left wing politics, would be needed. The problem is that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, and the BIble tells us that the wrath of God is resting on all who do not repent and are born again. I urge all who visit here to read their Bibles. I suggest starting with the book of John. Pray to God. Ask him to have mercy on your soul. Ask him to reveal himself to you as you read his Holy Word. Eternity hangs in the balance dear friends.

 

Follow up from the “Christian” Left

This. Is. Classic. My new buddies at the “Christian” Left  are sad that I’ve stated that they deny the divinity of Christ, and they are aggressively denying that they are deniers.

Some of our fundie critics like to accuse us of denying the divinity of Christ. We can’t figure out if they’re purposely lying or just misled. We do no such thing. No one understands the Trinity. No one. We do not deny the divinity of Christ. In the past we’ve posted articles that attempt to analyze which aspects of Jesus were true man and which aspects were true God. Apparently the fundies freaked out about that. That’s generally what happens when they are forced to think outside their template.

Hmmmm . . . maybe they should pay attention to what Mark Sandlin, one of their leaders, says in his posts:

No Trinity for me, please

Jesus is not my God

Subtle, eh?  You’ll get the same message from false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie.

Now how could we possibly get the idea that the “Christian” Left denies the divinity of Christ and the Trinity just because they post articles saying, “Jesus is not my God” and “No trinity for me, please” and more?

The Book of Numbers and abortion

When teaching pro-life reasoning I often say in the Q&A that if someone can come up with a pro-abortion argument I haven’t heard then I’ll give them a quarter.  Well, recently I have seen an argument I hadn’t heard before (fortunately it was from a pro-abort on a blog and not a pro-lifer in the training class!).  I’ve seen this a couple places recently and it is transparently false if you just read the text.

Here is their argument.  Note that they don’t even believe the Bible is the word of God, they are just pretending that we are inconsistent if we aren’t pro-abortion.  And note that most of these have come from the “Christian” Left, not from atheists.

Jesus never mentioned abortion, although there are biblical references to the abortifacient herbs (Numbers) used by “wise” women. Additionally, if a woman’s fidelity was questioned, she would be forced to take the abortifacient herbs, and if she miscarried, it was assumed the fetus was conceived in sin. Gotta love the magical thinking behind that one, and another way to punish women for the acts of men.
So, you are correct, cherry-picking only those parts of the bible you agree with really is hypocrisy.

I addressed the “Jesus never mentioned” fallacy separately.  Here is my response to the Numbers claim:

I encourage you to re-read your pro-abortion Bible texts.  That passage doesn’t even say the woman was pregnant, yet pro-aborts use it to rationalize abortion!  It shows how desperate they are — as if they actually cared about what the Book of Numbers said.  See http://www.gotquestions.org/Numbers-abortion.html for more.

You are welcome to show me in the Book of Numbers where it says the woman is pregnant (not there). Then you could show where she has an abortion (not there). Then you could show where God taking a life means that we can also take lives in the another fashion for any reason, including those of our own children (not there).

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Bonus: While we’re talking about Numbers, let me share this from an earlier post plugging that book.  Read it!  (The Bible, not this. OK, read both.)

Apparently the Book of Numbers should really be called “In the Wilderness” (the meaning of Ba’midmar (במדבר), the Hebrew title). At least that’s what various sites on the Interwebs tell me.

So why the change? I’m not sure, but it is too bad they didn’t go with the more interesting sounding Hebrew version. For people who don’t read the Bible the current title makes it sound like it is all genealogies and such. Yes, it starts with a census, But consider these great passages that you miss out on if you don’t read it:

  • A test for adultery
  • The Nazirite vow
  • Elders appointed to aid Moses
  • The quail. Lots of quail.
  • Miriam and Aaron oppose Moses
  • Spies going into Canaan
  • The people’s rebellion
  • Korah’s rebellion (referred to in Jude)
  • Moses strikes the rock
  • The bronze serpent
  • Balaam and his donkey
  • Driving out the inhabitants
  • Cities of refuge
  • Much, much more!

Seriously, don’t miss the Book of Numbers — or anything else in the Bible. Like I’ve said, if/when you get to Heaven it will be awkward if you haven’t read every author’s books (“Oh, uh, hi Amos . . . look over there!” [Runs away again]).

Better yet, think about how you’ll tell Jesus all the excuses you had for not reading it regularly, and at some point reading it all. (Yeah, I’m fine using the carrot or the stick to get you to read more!)

Just read it. Every day.