The “Christian” Left believes Jesus is God! Except when they don’t! Which is all the time!

Please see the Exposing the The “Christian” Left for more like this!

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The self-parody of the “Christian” Left continues.  I wrote about them last week in The self-parody of the “Christian” Left (are you picking up on the theme?).  Then, to defend themselves, they posted this on their Facebook page, insisting that they accepted the divinity of Jesus.

Some of our fundie critics like to accuse us of denying the divinity of Christ. We can’t figure out if they’re purposely lying or just misled. We do no such thing. No one understands the Trinity. No one. We do not deny the divinity of Christ. In the past we’ve posted articles that attempt to analyze which aspects of Jesus were true man and which aspects were true God. Apparently the fundies freaked out about that. That’s generally what happens when they are forced to think outside their template.

Now how could we have possibly drawn the conclusion that they don’t think Jesus is God.  Maybe — just maybe! — it is because one of their leaders, Mark Sandlin, wrote this: Jesus Is Not My God.

I am a believer. Mostly.

I believe that there is probably a god — something bigger than us. I have a very hard time believing that there’s not something larger than humanity.

I mean, seriously? We are the best the universe has to offer? At least, as far as we know? That seems a bit egotistical to me, not to mention a bit unfortunate for the Universe. Ultimately, I don’t buy it.

I also believe there might not be a god — or, at the very least, I frequently feel the absence of God.

Even King David, felt the absence of God. It’s all over the Psalms. I really don’t feel that bad about doubting. I feel like it’s normal.

That’s why I think of myself as an agnostic Christian. I believe there is a God. I also accept that there might not be.

“I believe; help me in my disbelief.”

When I worship, I worship that God who is all-at-once bigger than me and might not be at all.

It’s the same god I believe Jesus was trying to teach us about.

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For me, Jesus not being God is a good thing – a very good thing.

 

He also has a post called, “No Trinity for me.”  So, yeah, I think it is fair to say they deny the divinity of Jesus.  I was not lying or misled.  I was quoting them directly.  I’m sure I’ll get an apology message shortly . . .

Same goes for their denial that Jesus is the only way to salvation.  Their other leader, false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie, preaches entire sermons on why Jesus is not the only way to salvation.

There is a reason they don’t let Christians post on their page.  It is too easy to expose them, just by quoting the titles of their posts!

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Bonus: The comment below from uber-commenter Danny got him banned from the “Christian” Left Facebook site.  Note that they didn’t delete a comment last week that said, “Take your Bible verses and shove them up your ass.  Any guesses as to why I put quotes around “Christian” when I refer to the “Christian” Left?

Dear friends. Something is wrong with this world. This site says that the problem is right wingers. But government cannot fix what is wrong. The problem with this world is sin. If there were no sin, this site, nor political parties, nor right or left wing politics, would be needed. The problem is that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, and the BIble tells us that the wrath of God is resting on all who do not repent and are born again. I urge all who visit here to read their Bibles. I suggest starting with the book of John. Pray to God. Ask him to have mercy on your soul. Ask him to reveal himself to you as you read his Holy Word. Eternity hangs in the balance dear friends.

 

Follow up from the “Christian” Left

This. Is. Classic. My new buddies at the “Christian” Left  are sad that I’ve stated that they deny the divinity of Christ, and they are aggressively denying that they are deniers.

Some of our fundie critics like to accuse us of denying the divinity of Christ. We can’t figure out if they’re purposely lying or just misled. We do no such thing. No one understands the Trinity. No one. We do not deny the divinity of Christ. In the past we’ve posted articles that attempt to analyze which aspects of Jesus were true man and which aspects were true God. Apparently the fundies freaked out about that. That’s generally what happens when they are forced to think outside their template.

Hmmmm . . . maybe they should pay attention to what Mark Sandlin, one of their leaders, says in his posts:

No Trinity for me, please

Jesus is not my God

Subtle, eh?  You’ll get the same message from false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie.

Now how could we possibly get the idea that the “Christian” Left denies the divinity of Christ and the Trinity just because they post articles saying, “Jesus is not my God” and “No trinity for me, please” and more?

The “Christian” Left and their Ayn Rand obsession

One of the recurring themes of the visitors from the “Christian” Left Facebook page was their obsession with Ayn Rand.  Their basic guilt-by-association fallacy goes like this:

  • You agree with Ayn Rand
  • Ayn Rand was a super-evil atheist
  • Therefore, you worship money and are anti-Jesus

A sample:

Your theology is based on “The law of the jungle,” “every man for himself,” “survival of the strongest,” “survival of the fittest,” “kill or be killed,” “dog eat dog,” and “eat or be eaten.” It’s as old as the hills and it comes from the pit of Hell. Actually it’s Satanism pure and simple. Maybe you and your buddy Paul Ryan, who is a big fan of Ayn Rand, can start a Satanic Sunday School class together. Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, had this to say about Rand: “I give people Ayn Rand with trappings.” Ryan says he’s not a fan of Objectivism, but he loves Rand’s books and he formed his views of economics from reading them. Never mind that her blasphemous books drip with Objectivism on every page. You and your flock have been deluded by Satan himself! 1 Timothy 4:1-2 describes you well, but you are so delusional and blind you can’t see it. Let that one through for your readers.

The counter to that is pretty simple.  Just note how Rand was pro-abortion, like them, so using their logic they are equivalent to her.  You can also point out that they are the ones pushing the Darwinist philosophy, not us.

In their zeal to demonize their ideological foes (i.e., real Christians), they use any fallacious memes they can.  They repeat them a lot in their echo chambers, then go into full freak-out mode when their sound bites are so easily refuted.

To state the obvious, agreeing with someone about one thing doesn’t mean you agree with them on everything.  Did I really have to spell that out?  Apparently so, because that is the premise of their argument.

Rand was eerily accurate about the motives, behavior and results of Leftists.  As the joke goes, Atlas Shrugged was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

But  just because she diagnosed the problem doesn’t mean she had the right solution.  As an atheist, she misunderstood key parts of human nature.  And of course, her pro-abortion views were anti-Christian.

Unfortunately, the Leftists I explained this to just ran away.  Hopefully it planted a seed with them, but in my experience they’ll use the same bad arguments again if they think no one is looking.

Prove me wrong, “Christian” Left!

Update: Captain Obvious forgot to point out another example: Ask the Leftists what they think of Karl Marx’ philosophies.  Because he was a devout Christian, right?

Roundup

ROUNDUP TIME

The No. 1 Reason Teens Keeps the Faith as Young Adults — Makes sense.  If your parents went to church but obviously didn’t care about God the rest of the week, that would send a very clear message to kids that Christianity is just some social club and not an all-encompassing way of life.

The holy grail for helping youth remain religiously active as young adults has been at home all along: parents.

Mothers and fathers who practice what they preach and preach what they practice are far and away the major influence related to adolescents keeping the faith into their 20s, according to new findings from a landmark study of youth and religion.

I am not making this up: Lena Dunham Threatens To Sue Truth Revolt For Quoting Her — Uh, if you write a book claiming to have molested your sister then don’t be surprised when people quote you on it.  We are in some sort of bizarre state when even the Leftists can’t realize how messed up that girl is.  And of course, she is a Planned Parenthood spokeswoman.

British MPs Vote 181-1 to Declare Sex-Selection Abortions Illegal — That’s great news!  Now if only the U.S. and others would follow suit.  And more importantly, if every one would realize that all abortions (except the very limited number that save the life of the mother) should be illegal.  After all, if killing a human being for not being the preferred gender is wrong, why is it acceptable to kill her for having Down Syndrome, or because she is getting in the way of a love life/career/education, or if she is just plain unwanted?

Wine, Blind Taste Tests, and Your Money — I don’t drink wine, but this is still fascinating.   Good lessons here on expert opinions and pricing.

You’re standing at the grocery store looking at a large selection of wines. You know you want a red wine to go well with your pasta meal this evening. One is $5.99 per bottle. Another is $19.99 per bottle and has a little tag bragging about the score it received in some wine magazine. Which one is likely to bring you more enjoyment?

Believe it or not, the difference between the wines amounts to a complete coin flip. Professional wine judges, when faced with duplicate blind taste tests, fail to accurately repeat their grading of wines. From this study, with my own emphasis added:

“Wine judge performance at a major wine competition has been analyzed from 2005 to 2008 using replicate samples. Each panel of four expert judges received a flight of 30 wines imbedded with triplicate samples poured from the same bottle. Between 65 and 70 judges were tested each year. About 10 percent of the judges were able to replicate their score within a single medal group. Another 10 percent, on occasion, scored the same wine Bronze to Gold. Judges tend to be more consistent in what they don’t like than what they do. An analysis of variance covering every panel over the study period indicates only about half of the panels presented awards based solely on wine quality.“

These results – 10% of the tasters repeating their grading – are within the realm of ordinary luck.

In fact, there has really only been one thing that clearly “moves the needle” when it comes to wine tasting results: the price on the wine bottle.

UK feminists urge parliament to pass bill banning gendercide abortions

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Obligatory schadenfreudelicious post-election post

OK, that was sweet.  After all the ridiculous race- and gender-baiting done by the Left, today the Right is celebrating wins by Mia Love, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Joni Ernst and more.  And I’m seeing more and more evidence of people wising up and leaving the plantation.  I must admit that I laugh when thinking of the Leftists I know who continually say that the Right are racists.  My favorite is the guy who has literally zero people of color as Facebook friends (Uh, unless you count the person whose profile picture was a black Labrador).  Hey mainstream media, why don’t you have bigger coverage of the historic Mia Love and Tim Scott wins?  Shouldn’t you be happy about those?

Even with the rampant media bias, Leftist educational indoctrination, shameless race / gender pandering, IRS targeting of Conservative groups, hypocritical Koch-blaming, rampant voter fraud and morewe still won!

Yes, I know the influence peddlers have already begun their work to corrupt this process, but last night was huge.  The rate of decline of the U.S. was dramatically reduced.

Hopefully the Republicans will be smart and pass one common sense bill after another until Obama’s veto pen runs dry.  After running from Obama during this election, the Left may not want to be associated with opposing what most Americans want, and at a minimum they’ll expose Obama as the anti-American enemy he is.  They should vote to repeal or neuter Obamacare, defund Planned Parenthood, prevent Obama from granting dangerous and costly amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, investigate the IRS/Fast & Furious/Benghazi, and more.  Otherwise, we should find some Republicans who will do those things.

I also hope they’ll work to educate people on basic economic principles so they will understand how minimum wage increases are counterproductive, how supply and demand works, etc.  They have the microphone now with an opportunity to use it wisely.  Hopefully they’ve learned that majorities aren’t forever.

This should bode really well for 2016.  Obama is too proud to change, so the Left will have to run away from him.  That will alienate some of his base.  And Hillary will implode at some point.  The “war on women” meme ended up hurting the Left his time, and that will only get worse after last night.

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The youngest women elected to office are Republicans.

Dear Republicans: No One Elected You to Work with Democrats

There is no one of good faith left on the other side who will agree to any legislation that is not poisonous to the fabric of the Republic. Consider what they have stood for the last two years – they have literally tried to rewrite the First Amendment to make it not apply to wealthy conservatives. They have tried to force religious institutions to pay for abortions and participate in gay marriage ceremonies regardless of their religious convictions. They have confiscated billions of tax dollars in the name of “economic stimulus” and self-dealt their families and friends huge awards of taxpayer money. They have consciously eliminated the free choice of Americans in their health care decisions. They have shown more concern about Islamic terrorism being called “Islamic terrorism” than about stopping Islamic terrorism. They believe in eliminating the death penalty for convicted first degree murderers but in using taxpayer funds to pay for the deaths of unborn children. They have consciously and deliberately fomented racial, class and gender divides in America for the sole reason that they perceived that it would help them to remain in office.

They have not apologized for doing any of these things and they show no remorse for any of it. None – zero – of them have taken a stand against the excesses of their party while they were in power.

Not only should they not be worked with, they should not even be invited to the table to be part of the discussion lest their gangrenous, festering and destructive ideas should further infect our caucus. These are not people who should be trusted to babysit a cat, much less to have access to the levers of all the coercive powers of the Federal government.

Working with these people is not what America elected you to do Republicans. It elected you to stop them. So for the sake of America, stop being so concerned about sounding “reasonable” to the talking heads on cable and get the buckets of flaming tar ready.

 

The self-parody of the “Christian” Left

Welcome visitors!  Please start with this post, as it has foundational explanations of where the “Christian” Left goes wrong.  You see, the Left adheres to Leopard Theology (aka Dalmatian Theology), where people claim that the Bible is only inspired in spots and that they are inspired to spot the spots.  Then there is Advanced Leopard Theology, where God is also changing spots and adding and removing spots, and, oddly enough, He is only telling theological Leftists and “Progressives.”  If you just stop and think about it for a minute it is obvious that they are just making a god in their own image, but they are so steeped in their false theology and so obedient to the “god” of this world (Satan) that they can’t see it.  Pray that God will take the scales from their eyes as they are busy abusing scripture to their ends!

And don’t miss the comment thread.  It is epic, especially when Charles wraps himself in knots lying. Though I do thank him for the traffic and for exposing the Left and educating sincere seekers!

The “Christian” Left Facebook page is so open minded that they can’t handle alternate views being posted there, even though I gladly let false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie and others post here.  Not surprising!  Just another cowardly “Christian” Left echo chamber.

Update:  Good news!  The Facebook site published a link to this page.  I hope you all read the comments section here (and there!).  I’ve let many comments through from the Leftists who posted them.  Too bad they are too cowardly to let me post on their page.  Maybe they’ll relent!  I’d love to debate them on their faulty theology.

They covet 24×7, begging Caesar to take from the “greedy” people by force to “give” to counterproductive Leftist causes. They blather about the “least of these” but are radical pro-abortion extremists, fully supporting the Left’s dream of increasing abortions via taxpayer-funding.  They deny the Holy Spirit’s work in the Bible and claim that the human authors and the early church were blasphemous liars.  They proudly deny the deity of Christ.  They encourage people to commit suicide (just file the right paperwork, OK!). They promote LGBTQX behaviors, and have nearly identical views to the world. It shows who their real father is. They deny that Jesus is the only way to salvation, even though the Bible teaches that over 100 times.  They claim to be tolerant and loving but offer a series of mean-spirited personal attacks at anyone who dares disagree with them.  And so much more.

1 John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

Side question for the race- and gender-baiters: Have you posted celebratory comments about Mia Love, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Joni Ernst, etc.?  If not, why not?  Do you hate minorities and women?

Update 2: One of Chuck’s buddies said that I was guilty of attacking his wife and kids online.  The truth that Chuck didn’t share (surprise!) and hoped I wouldn’t disclose was that I was merely referring to things that Chuck wrote about his wife and kids.  From at least the age of 6 he has taken them to gay pride parades and put photos online.  So I wasn’t attacking his kids (I feel sorry for them), I was critiquing him for being such a terrible father.  And he joked online that his wife was an atheist, which I found odd.  Seems like he’d want her to repent and believe and avoid Hell.  Oh, wait, he’s a fake Christian and doesn’t believe we need to trust in Jesus to be saved.  But that does say a lot about his evangelistic skills.  He can’t even convert his wife to the “Christian” Left.

Update 3: They linked to me again!  And called me a false teacher and called themselves “Christian Left scripture warriors!”  Meditate on the irony, folks, and read the comment section to see how scriptural their arguments are.

They are still too gutless to let me comment there, but I can see how embarrassing it is when real believers annihilate their anti-Christian sound bites.  If people follow the commenting guidelines they are welcome to comment here.  Just read some of their petty and hypocritical comment threads here or there.  These comments from a believer about the “Christian” Left site were not surprising:

On the Christian left site all you guys do is make fun of anything Christian. You delete bible verses that are related to that topic but keep the stuff where people are cursing you and calling you a troll. You guys don’t want anybody to know the truth of the bible that is why you delete it. You are so envious and ate up with jealousy over people with money. You are leading your followers down a dangerous path the narrow path. I pray that you open your eyes to the truth before it’s too late.

I just read on the Christian left site and this poor women likes them even though she has never read the bible. That is why they don’t let a Christian comment on there or use verses out of bible because they know it might touch their heart. This woman needs to hear the gospel and unfortunately they are the only “bible” she sees.

Yes, they hate it when you quote the Bible in context.  It is Satanic.  2 Corinthians 11:13–15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

And they are still whining about the election and using their pathetic race-baiting and gender-baiting baiting. They are already attacking the women who won as “extremists.”  Seems kinda misogynistic.  One commenter posted a video making fun of Joni Ernst’s laugh that had 6 “likes” in half an hour.  Stay classy, Leftists!

And they are hypocritical as well (i.e., pro-abortionists calling other people extreme?!)  I hope they keep it up through 2016 and beyond!

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Chuck and the “Christian” Left deliberately withhold the Gospel from people.

Chuck Currie: “I would argue that it inappropriate and deeply offensive for Christians to attempt to convert Jews or to misuse the Hebrew Scriptures and claim them as Christian writings.”

Yeah, because Jesus and the early church never took the Good News to the Jewish people, right?  Chuck is just channeling Satan there.

Their site quotes Jesus telling the people to be like the Good Samaritan, as if what the guy really did was to leave the injured man and go beg Caesar to force someone else to help him!

The comment thread here has been illuminating.  Page after page of people briefly leaving their echo chamber of empty sound bites.  Several used the shrimp / shellfish argument but had obviously never studied the passages or heard the counter-arguments.  When I shared them, they immediately changed the subject.  Sad, but not surprising.

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Radical pro-abortionist and false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie of the UCC (Unitarians Counterfeiting Christ) posts to a Facebook site called The Christian Left along with some other false teachers like Mark Sandlin.  I left some comments there this morning, and of course they went into full pants-wetting mode when they saw them and deleted them all.  I knew that would happen but had some fun in the mean time.

I am not making this up: One of the “Christian” Left commenters told me to take my Bible verses and shove them up my ass.  Yep, that’s the “Christian” Left for you!  That is exactly how they feel about the word of God.

You almost feel sorry for them.  Even when Obama won I wouldn’t give up hope.  But when politicians are your gods then of course that would send Leftists into depression.

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I’m pasting this from the comments section.   Too good not to share.  In response to Charles I wrote:

Never heard of you or Smith, but I’ve written about Sandlin some and Currie many times. Chuck and I have a special relationship, because I know he’s a liar and he knows I know he’s a liar. He deleted a comment of mine once on his blog then claimed I said things that I hadn’t. I challenged him to provide the evidence but he never did. Because he’s a liar.

We don’t worship politicians. We expect them not to make laws that crush the least of these.

Wow, you broke the hypocrisy meter. Seriously, you are like Chuck, reflexively quoting Matthew 25 but being completely blinded to it. These are the “least of these,” and you approve of their literal destruction!

I think I’ll do a separate blog post on that line alone.

YOU and your kind are the false teachers buddy! Be sure and say your prayers to Mammon tonight because that’s who you worship. Then read about yourself in Rev 17 and 18!

Thanks for the laughs! I didn’t realize you knew how much money I gave away and where I spend my time. Did Obama’s IRS tell you that?

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Some additional thoughts: Jesus said to help the poor with YOUR money.  He didn’t say to petition Caesar to take from neighbor A by force to give — oops, I mean redistribute — to neighbor B and to call it generosity on your part.  That’s one of the foundational errors the Left makes.

Roundup

ROUNDUP TIME

14 Ways I Teach Apologetics to My 5-Year-Old – Outstanding tips and attitude.  Highly recommended to any current or future parents!  Hat tip: Wintry Knight (who else?)

Russia against the Sex Pervert Nation — It is sad how our country is exporting oxymoronic “same-sex marriage” and the normalization of perversions.

La Raza Makes Use of WaPo’s Guide to ID-Free Voting — A racist organization (the name literally means “the race” encourages people to vote even though they don’t have identification.  Hmmmm . . . wouldn’t include any illegal aliens, would it?  Save the link for the next foolish and/or malicious Leftist claims voter ID laws are oppressive.

Jonathan Coulton did, indeed, get threatened by the Democratic party of New York state — Very subtle, Leftists.  The good news about their veiled threats against voters: Human nature is such that it may drive people to vote, but for the other party.

Is Your Church Safe? — “Safe” churches are the most dangerous places on the planet. Your guard is down because you think you’ll be told the truth about God, but Satan is there filling you with lies.

I had to follow up with her again to find out what they meant by “safe.”

From what she told me, the idea behind a safe church is one that anyone can come to and be comfortable with the messages being preached. In other words, the messages are affirming everyone in who they are without regard to their… well, eternal state.

US ambassador to Iraq: WH was warned early on about ISIS, “did almost nothing” — They were more concerned about politics and went with their “hate America first” default position.

Coca-Cola’s Anti-Religious Positions — I’m sure Pepsi is Leftist as well, but this is one more reason not to consume anything by Coke.

Clinton, Crapitalism, and the Fear Machine — Read it all.  Great take down of Hillary, plus this take on “Crapitalism.”

My friend Jason Mattera dubs this system “Crapitalism” in his latest book.  The forms of capitalism are observed, and indeed the Ruling Class is very eager to appropriate its language – for example, by referring to Big Government tax-and-spend programs as “investment.”  But beneath this free-market veneer is a squalid normalization of corruption, in which politicians confer billions from the Treasury upon those who donate millions to their campaigns.  It’s not always a straight cash payoff (although if you haven’t read Jason’s book yet, you might be surprised to learn how often it is.)  Often what crapitalists purchase from Big Government vendors is the incredibly valuable service of anti-competition – laws, and more often mere rules promulgated by the endless bureaucracy, that burden competitors and keep established, well-connected interests on top.  A great deal of behavior that would have been dismissed as the most vile corruption a few generations ago is now standard operating procedure.

Did Pervert @LenaDunham Make Her Younger Sister Grace a Lesbian? — Remember that the Left worships people like Dunham.  Look what her parents did and what it produced!

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What is racist is telling people they are too stupid to get an ID.  Hat tip: Glenn

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Good news! More people leaving the plantation!  I’m encouraged to see more of these coming out.

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My only objection is that they use the word liberal instead of leftist.  I try to correct myself when ever I use the former, as it is too generous.